Noah and the Ark

[SlowFade]

The truth is that the Bible is full of myth and fallacy. It CANNOT be believed. It's been debunked thoroughly and I find it silly that so many wish to debate it. Here we see that even those who call themselves Christian are debunking it.

So here's my question. Since the Bible has been so thoroughly been debunked, why do any of you need to continue holding on to your invisible friend as security blanket? Face it. There is no God. No miracles. You're alone to live your life as you choose and you will face the results of your choices making your life enjoyable or painful.

It's time to grow up people.

If the test of a Christian is HONESTY an honest person would tell the truth. The notion of "God" is something that mankind needed in it's infancy. We don't need religion or god today.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by SlowFade

The truth is that the Bible is full of myth and fallacy. It CANNOT be believed. It's been debunked thoroughly and I find it silly that so many wish to debate it. Here we see that even those who call themselves Christian are debunking it.

So here's my question. Since the Bible has been so thoroughly been debunked, why do any of you need to continue holding on to your invisible friend as security blanket? Face it. There is no God. No miracles. You're alone to live your life as you choose and you will face the results of your choices making your life enjoyable or painful.

It's time to grow up people.

If the test of a Christian is HONESTY an honest person would tell the truth. The notion of "God" is something that mankind needed in it's infancy. We don't need religion or god today.

Originally Posted by SlowFade

The truth is that the Bible is full of myth and fallacy. It CANNOT be believed. It's been debunked thoroughly and I find it silly that so many wish to debate it. Here we see that even those who call themselves Christian are debunking it.

So here's my question. Since the Bible has been so thoroughly been debunked, why do any of you need to continue holding on to your invisible friend as security blanket? Face it. There is no God. No miracles. You're alone to live your life as you choose and you will face the results of your choices making your life enjoyable or painful.

It's time to grow up people.

If the test of a Christian is HONESTY an honest person would tell the truth. The notion of "God" is something that mankind needed in it's infancy. We don't need religion or god today.

I take issue with your assertion that "the Bible has been thoroughly debunked."

Also the statement that "those who call themselves Christian are debunking it." Look at the point-by-point analysis I made of some of Jason's fundamentalist style claims. Even with what I felt to be a serious inspection I ended up actually correlating the volcanism of the Dead Sea region with the "fire and brimstone" events of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

The Bible does present an accurate historical record. That can't really be "debunked" and never has been. The matters of faith often end up being "inconclusive" at best (or worst depending on what side you're on).

[SlowFade]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I take issue with your assertion that "the Bible has been thoroughly debunked."

Also the statement that "those who call themselves Christian are debunking it." Look at the point-by-point analysis I made of some of Jason's fundamentalist style claims. Even with what I felt to be a serious inspection I ended up actually correlating the volcanism of the Dead Sea region with the "fire and brimstone" events of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

The fundies are just as misguided as those who assert the notion of a supernatural being behind it all. There are natural processes at work and there is no need for a God. In fact, prove that there is a God. You can't. It's all subjective wishing and hoping.

And just because there was volcanism of the Dead Sea region that destroyed a couple cities it doesn't mean there was a God behind it. Was God behind Katrina? The tsunamis? Earthquakes in the world today? No. What happened was a catastrophe that ancient people couldn't explain that was attributed to God. It's like the volcanos throughout the Pacific islands that islanders attributed to a god. They threw virgins into volcanos to appease this god.

God didn't create the world in six days, nor did God make Eve from a rib, there wasn't even an Adam. You won't find God parting the red sea nor will you find Jesus rising from the dead, if he existed at all. Most likely he was a radical rabbi that was executed for blasphemy and treason against Rome.

The Bible does present an accurate historical record. That can't really be "debunked" and never has been. The matters of faith often end up being "inconclusive" at best (or worst depending on what side you're on).

The Bible presents a mythological interpretation of historical events. That's all. It's a story book from an ancient religion no different than any other religious book.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by SlowFade

The fundies are just as misguided as those who assert the notion of a supernatural being behind it all. There are natural processes at work and there is no need for a God. In fact, prove that there is a God. You can't. It's all subjective wishing and hoping.

And just because there was volcanism of the Dead Sea region that destroyed a couple cities it doesn't mean there was a God behind it. Was God behind Katrina? The tsunamis? Earthquakes in the world today? No. What happened was a catastrophe that ancient people couldn't explain that was attributed to God. It's like the volcanos throughout the Pacific islands that islanders attributed to a god. They threw virgins into volcanos to appease this god.

God didn't create the world in six days, nor did God make Eve from a rib, there wasn't even an Adam. You won't find God parting the red sea nor will you find Jesus rising from the dead, if he existed at all. Most likely he was a radical rabbi that was executed for blasphemy and treason against Rome.



The Bible presents a mythological interpretation of historical events. That's all. It's a story book from an ancient religion no different than any other religious book.

Here is an excellent example of the fruit of evolutionary thinking. If you can't believe what the Bible says how can you believe it's message? I firmly believe in what the Bible says. I believe that one day so call "science" will be shown to be false and God's Word true to it's natural reading.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here is an excellent example of the fruit of evolutionary thinking. If you can't believe what the Bible says how can you believe it's message? I firmly believe in what the Bible says. I believe that one day so call "science" will be shown to be false and God's Word true to it's natural reading.

This is an example of an Association Fallacy or a "Red Herring."

SlowFade didn't even touch on "evolutionary thinking" but was following the theme of the thread - Noah's Ark. (Talk about presumption! Staying on the theme of a thread!)

SlowFade's declared unbelief may have many different origins that their personal experience would have to testify to. For us to come along and try to use their belief system (unbelief system?) as a polemic tool for advocating acceptance of things that are clearly not warranted by the Bible nor the natural sciences is unfair to all the players.

[SlowFade]

Originally Posted by pelathais

This is an example of an Association Fallacy or a "Red Herring."

SlowFade didn't even touch on "evolutionary thinking" but was following the theme of the thread - Noah's Ark. (Talk about presumption! Staying on the theme of a thread!)

SlowFade's declared unbelief may have many different origins that their personal experience would have to testify to. For us to come along and try to use their belief system (unbelief system?) as a polemic tool for advocating acceptance of things that are clearly not warranted by the Bible nor the natural sciences is unfair to all the players.

The Bible isn't warranted by natural science. Why even cling to the Bible? It's just a fairy tale full of miraculous gibberish.

[SlowFade]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here is an excellent example of the fruit of evolutionary thinking. If you can't believe what the Bible says how can you believe it's message? I firmly believe in what the Bible says. I believe that one day so call "science" will be shown to be false and God's Word true to it's natural reading.

The "fruit of evolutionary thinking" is knowing the truth. Religious people lie so much they believe themselves. Of course I can't believe what the Bible says, it's wrong. Evidence and facts prove that. And as for it's message, it's just hope for the hopeless who can't cope with death.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here is an excellent example of the fruit of evolutionary thinking. If you can't believe what the Bible says how can you believe it's message? I firmly believe in what the Bible says. I believe that one day so call "science" will be shown to be false and God's Word true to it's natural reading.

Just curious as to how this will be accomplished. Just curious as to your thoughts on this.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SlowFade

The truth is that the Bible is full of myth and fallacy. It CANNOT be believed. It's been debunked thoroughly and I find it silly that so many wish to debate it. Here we see that even those who call themselves Christian are debunking it.

So here's my question. Since the Bible has been so thoroughly been debunked, why do any of you need to continue holding on to your invisible friend as security blanket? Face it. There is no God. No miracles. You're alone to live your life as you choose and you will face the results of your choices making your life enjoyable or painful.

It's time to grow up people.

If the test of a Christian is HONESTY an honest person would tell the truth. The notion of "God" is something that mankind needed in it's infancy. We don't need religion or god today.

You know what would be ironic? Is if you were just another member here who is a Christian, here pretending to be an Atheist after claiming to be a believer...and talking about Christians being honest.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You know what would be ironic? Is if you were just another member here who is a Christian, here pretending to be an Atheist after claiming to be a believer...and talking about Christians being honest.

I tend to be skeptical because he is so abrasive. Either way, whether he is an athiest or an alter ego, doesn't change what God's done in my life.