What Is The One Step Of One Step Doctrine?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I find it interesting that one thing always leads to another. We all know, a 3 step plan doesn't stop there. We must continue with many other "Steps" to get out of here.

Think about this; Jesus said if we don't become as little children, we have NO part in Him. Same with foot washing. What about hypocrisy? What about hating our brother? What if we don't love our neighbor?

What if we don't FORGIVE? The man that didn't, all of his sins were placed back upon him. We say we forgive, while we kick backsliders out of our Churches, or condemn people who are going through a hard time in their life.

It seems that "Steps" only lead to the Religion of it's Our Way, or No Way.

We want mercy, but are unwilling to give others mercy.

When I think of being a "1-stepper" vs a "3-stepper", I refer to the point at which a soul has entered into a saving relationship with our Father through faith in Jesus Christ.

Everything else that a Christian is supposed to do, they are still commanded to do it and since we have been bought with a price, we must do these things.

But these things aren't what save us.


For me, it's about where the emphasis is placed.

I would never want to lead anyone into a performance based religion.

Neither would I want to lead anyone into a place where they would feel satisfied to confess, repent and not go on to be baptized in the Name of Jesus, and not go on to seek and experience the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

When I think of being a "1-stepper" vs a "3-stepper", I refer to the point at which a soul has entered into a saving relationship with our Father through faith in Jesus Christ.

Everything else that a Christian is supposed to do, they are still commanded to do it and since we have been bought with a price, we must do these things.

But these things aren't what save us.


For me, it's about where the emphasis is placed.

I would never want to lead anyone into a performance based religion.

Neither would I want to lead anyone into a place where they would feel satisfied to confess, repent and not go on to be baptized in the Name of Jesus, and not go on to seek and experience the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

Well said!

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

When I think of being a "1-stepper" vs a "3-stepper", I refer to the point at which a soul has entered into a saving relationship with our Father through faith in Jesus Christ.

Everything else that a Christian is supposed to do, they are still commanded to do it and since we have been bought with a price, we must do these things.

But these things aren't what save us.


For me, it's about where the emphasis is placed.

I would never want to lead anyone into a performance based religion.

Neither would I want to lead anyone into a place where they would feel satisfied to confess, repent and not go on to be baptized in the Name of Jesus, and not go on to seek and experience the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

Yet it is very much a performance based religion.... endurance IS performance! Mercy and Grace doesn't negate performance. Jesus clearly teaches judgment by deeds unto eternal life which is faithfulness.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

Yet it is very much a performance based religion.... endurance IS performance! Mercy and Grace doesn't negate performance. Jesus clearly teaches judgment by deeds unto eternal life which is faithfulness.

If you are saved, than the fruits of that salvation will follow.

There is, there just has to be away, to bring people to a place of bearing spiritual fruit without beating them over the head with standards, guilt and all sorts of unbiblical manipulation.

What He did for us was out of love.

What we do for Him should be out of love as well.


Furthermore, though spiritual fruit MUST follow, the spiritual fruit isn't the salvation-- it's a result of the salvation.

This is the difference in my mind from a Biblical salvational relationship with Christ, and the religiosity I've seen displayed by way too many people, sometimes even in me.


In the traditional, denominal "Apostolic" presentation of the Gospel, we set many of our new converts up for failure by presenting the Gospel in a way where they always have to do this, that or the other and this is not Biblical and often we make folks worst devils than they were before they walked in our doors.

The only thing we must have to start, to initiate our saving reltionship with Christ is have Biblical faith in God, Our Savior.

There is no such thing as partial salvation, half salvation. Either a person is saved or not saved. The Bible teaches that a person is saved by Grace, through faith.


That is where our focus should be and that is where I see it is not within the Apostolic ranks I have been exposed to.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If you are saved, than the fruits of that salvation will follow.

This is true if your heart is turned toward him. That does not mean those who have been saved cannot become lukewarm or cold.

There is, there just has to be away, to bring people to a place of bearing spiritual fruit without beating them over the head with standards, guilt and all sorts of unbiblical manipulation.

let's deal with the basic principles of righteousness when it comes to this discussion. They are necessary to be judged "righteous" and "faithful" in the end just as Abraham was.

What He did for us was out of love.

Amen!

What we do for Him should be out of love as well.

Amen, but it is also obligation!

Furthermore, though spiritual fruit MUST follow, the spiritual fruit isn't the salvation-- it's a result of the salvation.

Again as I have pointed out several times on this board. Salvation is a BROAD word of context. Are we talking about eternal life or are we talking about salvation or intial saving from our sins unto covenant. Many aspects to this discussion. I don't believe initial repentance brings about a eschatological acquittal.

This is the difference in my mind from a Biblical salvational relationship with Christ, and the religiosity I've seen displayed by way too many people, sometimes even in me.

I would agree.

In the traditional, denominal "Apostolic" presentation of the Gospel, we set many of our new converts up for failure by presenting the Gospel in a way where they always have to do this, that or the other and this is not Biblical and often we make folks worst devils than they were before they walked in our doors.

won't disagree on that but I will say there are requirements in this relationship of covenant. It's not a free ride and your reponse will determine the final judgment.

The only thing we must have to start, to initiate our saving reltionship with Christ is have Biblical faith in God, Our Savior.

Faith is a varied meaning among everyone but I agree.

There is no such thing as partial salvation, half salvation. Either a person is saved or not saved. The Bible teaches that a person is saved by Grace, through faith.

A person is saved in respect of "current" standing toward God or "righteous" but one has not obtained judgment unto eternal life until the end by which God will judge everyman according to his deeds.

That is where our focus should be and that is where I see it is not within the Apostolic ranks I have been exposed to.

difference in teaching varies widely.