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Old 04-08-2010, 02:53 PM
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This gave me that embarrassed feeling (for him and his family), looking at that.
Personally it disgusts me and demonstrates the incredibly shallow character of Mr. Woods. Any man who would use and marr the memory and image of his father in a blatant attempt reconstruct his marketing image is clearly a man who has not learned anything from his 'sabatical' This whole thing is about money pure and simple. I feel sorry for his kids. They get to grow up knowing that what matters is the money. Don't worry about anybody else but yourself.
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:01 PM
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My family has an emotional connection to Tiger. It's not appropriate that I expound. But I also see Tiger through the eyes of grace and I'd like to treat him just like I would want to be treated if I ever screwed something up terribly. And it's possible. I just might make a mess of my life, at some point, because I'm a fallible human being. If it's not possible that any of you would ever screw it up terribly, then you're better than me.
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:05 PM
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My family has an emotional connection to Tiger. It's not appropriate that I expound. But I also see Tiger through the eyes of grace and I'd like to treat him just like I would want to be treated if I ever screwed something up terribly. And it's possible. I just might make a mess of my life, at some point, because I'm a fallible human being. If it's not possible that any of you would ever screw it up terribly, then you're better than me.
First, your connection to Tiger is someting that no one knew before this post.

that is different.

but the point yoiu are making about the rest of us isnt valid at all.

I have said repeatedly that Tiger didnt do anythign that I find a need for him to repent to me for, or for me to hold against him. his life is his own. It should have never been made public in the first place.

however, lets also make clear, he has not experienced grace on any level.
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:16 PM
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First, your connection to Tiger is someting that no one knew before this post.

that is different.

but the point yoiu are making about the rest of us isnt valid at all.

I have said repeatedly that Tiger didnt do anythign that I find a need for him to repent to me for, or for me to hold against him. his life is his own. It should have never been made public in the first place.

however, lets also make clear, he has not experienced grace on any level.

On ANY level? Of course he has. From his mother, from his wife, from a few of his sponsors, from me, from many close to him.

My emotional connection to him is irrelevant to this discussion. I told you privately because I wanted you to know...you called me "sick" and I wanted you to know that I disagreed. My family has no emotional connection to Tim Lincecum but when he was busted for pot, it didn't change how much I like him or the way he plays the game. Same with Barry Bonds and all his junk.

The point I'm making about the rest of you IS totally valid. You're a human, so is Tiger, and if you ever do totally screw up your life, you'll appreciate someone like me who unconditionally loves, accepts, forgives, and admires. Ferd, despite the way you feel about me, I love you, accept you, believe in you, and receive you and nothing you could tell me about yourself could change that.

And I can say the same about Tiger.
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On ANY level? Of course he has. From his mother, from his wife, from a few of his sponsors, from me, from many close to him.

My emotional connection to him is irrelevant to this discussion. I told you privately because I wanted you to know...you called me "sick" and I wanted you to know that I disagreed. My family has no emotional connection to Tim Lincecum but when he was busted for pot, it didn't change how much I like him or the way he plays the game. Same with Barry Bonds and all his junk.

The point I'm making about the rest of you IS totally valid. You're a human, so is Tiger, and if you ever do totally screw up your life, you'll appreciate someone like me who unconditionally loves, accepts, forgives, and admires. Ferd, despite the way you feel about me, I love you, accept you, believe in you, and receive you and nothing you could tell me about yourself could change that.

And I can say the same about Tiger.

Grace of God bro. the Grace of God.... he is a buddist.
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Grace of God bro. the Grace of God.... he is a buddist.
I understand that. But I'm saying he's received personal grace and that's grace on some level.

But interestingly, (and I'm gonna catch it for this) Buddhism is loaded with worthwhile Christian principles, in fact, it's something a lot of us could benefit from. But no, there's no divine grace in Buddhism.
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I understand that. But I'm saying he's received personal grace and that's grace on some level.

But interestingly, (and I'm gonna catch it for this) Buddhism is loaded with worthwhile Christian principles, in fact, it's something a lot of us could benefit from. But no, there's no divine grace in Buddhism.
Isn't this going a bit far? How do you think a Buddhist would feel reading this? Any love you show them is now buried in your arrogance.

It's because of statements like this that many are spurning Christianity and fundamentalist Christians.
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