The Biblical response to ACTS 2:38

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sam

Well,
gay or not
or
struggling with his sexuality or not,
he was anointed and blessed many.

Yes, he was!!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by jason badejo

either everyone who never spoken in tongues is lost, or their not.

point blank, i am saying that i don't think the bible supports the assertion that has been made by modern oneness pentecostals that if someone doesn't speak in tongues they are lost.

many try to skirt the issue with such statements as "i'm not god, i don't judge."

we (as a movement) speak of how if someone hasn't spoken in tonuges, they are lost, none of his, etc. The conclusion is simple. If we teach someone who hasn't spoken in tongues isn't saved, then obviously they are a lost unregerate sinner. Not much different from a pagan or heathen.

Yet, we willingly sing the songs they write, read their bible commentaries and other resource books, use their bible translations (kjv), etc. All while damning them to hell. And for what other reason except they haven't spoken in tonuges.

I'm tired of seeing good people who may perhaps make good christians, they attend church, they have been baptized in his name, their faithful, but because they haven't spoken in tongues they are treated like outsiders--so they get discouraged and give up. Sometimes not only on pentecostal, but on church and god all together. They are often greeted with the attitude that we're glad to have them come (and certainly give in the offering) but they're taught they can't be used in the church, neither are they going to heaven, unless they speak in tongues.

so the point of this thread is that when examined closely peter's command gave two specific instruction for the hearer 1)repent 2)be baptized. We see in the text that those who recieved his word were baptized (and due to the context, i believe any reasonable mind would conclude the same repented thus leading to their baptism).

that was the responsibility of the hearers, the holy ghost was to be bestowed upon them as a gift, not something they must (or even were capable) of doing.

say amen somebody!!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh come on, you're not still stuck on that stupid Adam Lambert thing, are you? Dang, why can't I like the way a guy sings? How many Christians stormed the ticket counters to go see a Ray Boltz concert? Oops, turns out he was gay. So was James Cleveland.....should we even get this list going? I just like his singing!! For crying out loud!!

Fine, so there's a "line" between "The church" and "The World". But I don't see it as "Us vs. Them" and never will.

My offer stands, by the way, if you wanna reach broken people. But like I said....it's costs everything.

Closet sin that we discover is tragic. Blatant and pompous, even flaunted sin that we "join in"... just a thought.

Hahaha.. happen to think Lambert sucks anyway.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Either everyone who never spoken in tongues is lost, or their not.

Point blank, I am saying that I don't think the Bible supports the assertion that has been made by modern oneness pentecostals that if someone doesn't speak in tongues they are lost.

Many try to skirt the issue with such statements as "I'm not God, I don't judge."

We (as a movement) speak of how if someone hasn't spoken in tonuges, they are lost, none of His, etc. The conclusion is simple. If we teach someone who hasn't spoken in tongues isn't saved, then obviously they are a lost unregerate sinner. Not much different from a pagan or heathen.

YET, we willingly sing the songs they write, read their Bible commentaries and other resource books, use their Bible translations (KJV), etc. all while damning them to hell. And for what other reason EXCEPT they haven't spoken in tonuges.

I'm tired of seeing good people who may perhaps make good Christians, they attend church, they have been baptized in his name, their faithful, BUT because they haven't spoken in tongues they are treated like outsiders--so they get discouraged and give up. Sometimes not only on Pentecostal, but on church and God all together. They are often greeted with the attitude that we're glad to have them come (and certainly give in the offering) but they're taught they can't be used in the church, neither are they going to heaven, UNLESS they speak in tongues.

So the point of this thread is that when examined closely Peter's command gave two specific instruction for the hearer 1)repent 2)be baptized. We see in the text that those who recieved His word were baptized (and due to the context, I believe any reasonable mind would conclude the same repented thus leading to their baptism).

That was the responsibility of the hearers, the Holy Ghost was to be bestowed upon them as a GIFT, not something they must (or even were capable) of doing.

BINGO.

Now, we can discuss the relationship with water baptism to justification by faith next Either way, who has major objections with being baptized?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Closet sin that we discover is tragic. Blatant and pompous, even flaunted sin that we "join in"... just a thought.

Hahaha.. happen to think Lambert sucks anyway.

Something comes to mind to say at this point but I better just let it go.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

BINGO.

Now, we can discuss the relationship with water baptism to justification by faith next Either way, who has major objections with being baptized?

Many, many Christians.

Good people, who have been misled, deceived into thinking, that baptism is an option, instead of a command.

Most churches don't even have a baptismal pool.

Equally disturbing is the insistence of most of Christendom to simply IGNORE the way that the baptisms were carried out in the same Bible they claim has the instructions to lead them from death to life.

This is what they claim, but then don't follow the pattern established.


WHY?!

[corvet786c]

I am goin to have to disagree with you on this one Jason. God and the word is very detailed ans specific about the HG and Tongues in the NT as far as being the evidence of the HG. We know peter preached it and so did paul in Acts 19th chapter.

If you are refering to the Church today though, well that is a diffrent story, I believe all who come in the church should be welcome and not be givin up on. Some try to seek out the HG and give up, but I still believe they need it just like the bible says. We have to believe the words of the apostles.

I would like to add that some churches says baptism is not neccessary for salvation and they could not be any more wrong. My goodness, If the apostles did it and Jesus says "he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved" Why not follow that and be done with it.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by corvet786c

I am goin to have to disagree with you on this one Jason. God and the word is very detailed ans specific about the HG and Tongues in the NT as far as being the evidence of the HG. We know peter preached it and so did paul in Acts 19th chapter.

If you are refering to the Church today though, well that is a diffrent story, I believe all who come in the church should be welcome and not be givin up on. Some try to seek out the HG and give up, but I still believe they need it just like the bible says. We have to believe the words of the apostles.

I would like to add that some churches says baptism is not neccessary for salvation and they could not be any more wrong. My goodness, If the apostles did it and Jesus says "he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved" Why not follow that and be done with it.

Amen and amen.

[Aquila]

Some don't receive the Holy Ghost because while the church might think it's alive, it's spiritually dead in tradition and organization worship.

[KWSS1976]

I am going to go as far as it's just dead.....Cause it's not happening as it was in the bible not to mention the apostoles that were laying there hands on the people and causing this to happen are dead and gone....