Timmy's Religion

[deadeye]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I knew this would happen if I answered. I'll tell you what, deadeye, let's you and I have a "feeding the hungry", or "comfort the hurting", or "showing mercy to the fallen", or "loving the broken", "or visiting the prisoner", contest and see who wins!

When we're finished, we'll read Matthew 25 and see who's ready for judgment!

I love you, Deadeye.

I do not believe that Matt 25 applies to the church at all....

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by deadeye

I do not believe that Matt 25 applies to the church at all....

Well, there's one way to get out of it! I'm gonna use that one the next time someone tells me to pay my tithes.

May I ask, who in the blazin' heck is it applied to? Everyone else? Clearly, some in Matthew 25, are going to "Inherit the kingdom." Are you saying that someone will inherit the kingdom besides the church?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

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May I ask, who in the blazin' heck is it applied to? Everyone else? Clearly, some in Matthew 25, are going to "Inherit the kingdom." Are you saying that someone will inherit the kingdom besides the church?

Yes

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yes

Yes, but Deadeye believes that? I'm surprised. He seems to think that only people in his church are going to inherit much of anything!

[deadeye]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yes, but Deadeye believes that? I'm surprised. He seems to think that only people in his church are going to inherit much of anything!

Actually you have no idea what i believe.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by deadeye

Actually you have no idea what i believe.

I'm all ears!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by deadeye

I do not believe that Matt 25 applies to the church at all....

I agree.
It is my opinion that the Church is part of the first resurrection (Revelation 20:4-5) and that Matthew 25:31-46 is the second resurrection (Revelation 20:5, 11-15).

[deadeye]

Originally Posted by Sam

I agree.
It is my opinion that the Church is part of the first resurrection (Revelation 20:4-5) and that Matthew 25:31-46 is the second resurrection (Revelation 20:5, 11-15).

I agree...Matt 25 is about works...the church is saved by grace.

But I do believe that at the White Throne judgment there will be those who are "saved" not part of the church or the Bride, but saved nonetheless...I will be honest and tell you i dont understand it all...but I cant see the church at that judgement.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by deadeye

I agree...Matt 25 is about works...the church is saved by grace.

But I do believe that at the White Throne judgment there will be those who are "saved" not part of the church or the Bride, but saved nonetheless...I will be honest and tell you i dont understand it all...but I cant see the church at that judgement.

I don't want to generate an argument but it has been standard teaching for years that there will be more people in Heaven than just Acts 2:38 folks.

Bishop G.T. Haywood had a booklet on the resurrection that taught this. It was also taught by S.G. Norris at the Apostolic Bible Institute so many ministers have heard that over the years. Bro. Clyde Haney taught a similar doctrine at WABC. A former pastor of mine, Frank Curts, was Dist. Supt. of Ohio and a Bible teacher and he taught that also.

Attached is a pdf file of Bishop Haywood's booklet.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sam

I agree.
It is my opinion that the Church is part of the first resurrection (Revelation 20:4-5) and that Matthew 25:31-46 is the second resurrection (Revelation 20:5, 11-15).

I still don't agree. Notice he said "applies." There is only one interpretation but many applications. To say that the concept of feeding, visiting, clothing, etc., doesn't "apply" to the church is something I'd greatly disagree with.

And can I just add....I'm not much of a believer in traditional eschatology. So many things that have been taught through eschatology history ends up being miscalculated and wrong. So I'm not convinced that Matthew 25 is directly talking about the "Second resurrection." There was a day when I thought I had Revelation figured out. Then I realized I didn't. So for the most part, I take a "wait and see" attitude with it. We know this...those that read the words of the book will be blessed!

Story time....This is from the book, "Love, Acceptance, and Forgiveness", I believe by Jerry Cook. It's been years since I read it. The author once pastored a traditional baptist (or maybe he knew a pastor who did). Anyway, the church was very quiet and traditional. The pastor was frustrated with many of his prophecy teachings and how liquid they often were because of changing times.

So rather than teaching the book of Revelation, he read it over a 2 or 3 week period. He honored the verse that said that whoever reads the words of this book will be blessed. So they read it. On the final week, when he reached the final verse, the very quiet, traditional Baptist church burst into a thunderous applause. It was a roar that last for several minutes.

So I read the book and don't try to always figure it out. I'm not convinced it CAN be understood in its entirety. I'll leave the eschatology to the prophecy students!