Mooney Guns for "Secret" Meeting in Detroit?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Barb-

Did the church in Pontiac totally pull out of the UPCI and go independent or what?

To my knowledge, our church has not pulled out of the UPCI...

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Barb

To my knowledge, our church has not pulled out of the UPCI...

Saw that you said something about changing memebership lastyear....what was that about?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Saw that you said something about changing memebership lastyear....what was that about?

I personally changed my church membership from where I was to where I am now.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Barb

I personally changed my church membership from where I was to where I am now.

Ah ok...

[timlan2057]

I think you people are missing the boat on Anthony Mangun.

I will give my opinion--commentators do it all the time.

Anthony Mangun is the ultimate pragmatist. He will do what is good and right for Anthony Mangun.

I'm not saying he's a hypocrite--far from it. He's just a smart player. He is NO Joan of Arc and he is not going to fall on his sword for anyone.

If you could give Anthony Mangun a truth serum (not that he'd lie, just that he keeps these thoughts locked up in himself) where he HAD to speak his mind and heart on these issues:

AM would say these dress "standards" were absolute hogwash.

But Anthony Mangun is not so dramatic (or dumb) to get up at POA and give some sort of "We were wrong!" sermon. Why should he? He's in the catbird seat and he knows eventually it will fade away without him saying a word.

True, as someone pointed out, GA and Vesta are apparently going to live to be 100, but so what? Anthony is Senior Pastor of a huge church and life is good.

Why rock the boat? He can pay lip service to these things. He is not a man of convictions--liberal or conservative--so much that he's going to make a political or ministerial martyr of himself over them.

Even so, Anthony is no conservative in the sense of the UPC neanderthals. I saw him a couple years ago at the Louisiana high school state championship basketball game at the Cajundome in Lafayette and I have it on good authority that he attends LSU football games.

Something telling to me about Anthony: he was always a Dallas Cowboys fan.

I am a purist here--I believe a man of character sticks with his teams through thick and thin--he lives and dies with them through winning and losing.

Back in the late-eighties when the Cowboys were terrible, going 1-15, I was talking with Anthony on the phone and ragged him about it a little. His reply was matter-of-fact: "I'm a Saints fan."

He no doubt jumped on the Cowboys' bandwagon again in the 90s but if you ask him now? I bet he's a Saints fan. lol

So ... he's always going to make his bed on the winning side.

While deep down inside I think he believes that a lot of UPC legalism is hogwash, he will NEVER lead a revolution over it.

Not when things are just hunky-dory for him and as the writer James Thurber said, when he's sitting in the catbird seat.

[D. Wright]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

I think you people are missing the boat on Anthony Mangun.

I will give my opinion--commentators do it all the time.

Anthony Mangun is the ultimate pragmatist. He will do what is good and right for Anthony Mangun.

I'm not saying he's a hypocrite--far from it. He's just a smart player. He is NO Joan of Arc and he is not going to fall on his sword for anyone.

If you could give Anthony Mangun a truth serum (not that he'd lie, just that he keeps these thoughts locked up in himself) where he HAD to speak his mind and heart on these issues:

AM would say these dress "standards" were absolute hogwash.

But Anthony Mangun is not so dramatic (or dumb) to get up at POA and give some sort of "We were wrong!" sermon. Why should he? He's in the catbird seat and he knows eventually it will fade away without him saying a word.

True, as someone pointed out, GA and Vesta are apparently going to live to be 100, but so what? Anthony is Senior Pastor of a huge church and life is good.

Why rock the boat? He can pay lip service to these things. He is not a man of convictions--liberal or conservative--so much that he's going to make a political or ministerial martyr of himself over them.

Even so, Anthony is no conservative in the sense of the UPC neanderthals. I saw him a couple years ago at the Louisiana high school state championship basketball game at the Cajundome in Lafayette and I have it on good authority that he attends LSU football games.

Something telling to me about Anthony: he was always a Dallas Cowboys fan.

I am a purist here--I believe a man of character sticks with his teams through thick and thin--he lives and dies with them through winning and losing.

Back in the late-eighties when the Cowboys were terrible, going 1-15, I was talking with Anthony on the phone and ragged him about it a little. His reply was matter-of-fact: "I'm a Saints fan."

He no doubt jumped on the Cowboys' bandwagon again in the 90s but if you ask him now? I bet he's a Saints fan. lol

So ... he's always going to make his bed on the winning side.

While deep down inside I think he believes that a lot of UPC legalism is hogwash, he will NEVER lead a revolution over it.

Not when things are just hunky-dory for him and as the writer James Thurber said, when he's sitting in the catbird seat.

Timlan,

Miss your straight-shooting. Good to read your posts.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by D. Wright

Timlan,

Miss your straight-shooting. Good to read your posts.

I always like his posts.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Barb

To my knowledge, our church has not pulled out of the UPCI...

I can't imagine them doing that with them trying to get Great Lakes University launched as a Oneness University. To leave the largest Oneness org. would be very counterproductive. Especially an org. that is not known to treat kindly those who leave it.