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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
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It sounds like your preaching is unbalanced compared to Paul's. Perhaps you should preach on both.
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But then he wouldn't be cool and hip and relevent. 
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
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Be sure and hit on that whole "fruit of the Spirit" thing also. One observation I have made both in the UPC and out in the exUPC / Charismatic world is that this is a subject not taught or preached on nearly enough.
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I LOVE the "Fruit" subject. I'd say that I've said more about The Fruit (singular, not plural), and Galatians 5:16 than any other subject in my preaching life.
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
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It sounds like your preaching is unbalanced compared to Paul's. Perhaps you should preach on both.
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What makes you say that?
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
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But then he wouldn't be cool and hip and relevent. |
I have a great pair of ripped jeans and a tight t-shirt that I can loan you if you're interested! 
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05-02-2010, 08:41 PM
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
Has anyone thought about holding their services like Paul instructed? You know - in the 'old' apostolic style? (See 1Cor 5 for a 'working' example.)
Or, should the saints of God take up the task and responsibility of 'saving' people and allow the teachers to move on with the deeper things of God? ( Heb 5:11-6:6). After all, of what value is it for the preachers to continue to go over and over hell and damnation to those who have been established by God's Spirit as a holy priesthood?
Where is the teaching that equips the saints unto spiritual maturity and right relationship with God? What about the tools required to live an 'over coming' life? How to both live and to walk in the Spirit? The identification of an individual's spiritual gifts and the authority and freedom to exercise them? How to identify and work in the power of spiritual authority that a priest of God is to walk and function? Or, the identification, requirements, and training of a person in their spiritual calling?
And, please, do not tell me that all of these things are the responsibility of the local pastor! It is that kind of mind set that has allowed the western church to decay to the point it we find it in today. It is time for the children of God to stand up and once again to take personal responsibility for our own salvation and spiritual growth and to function as the integrated body of Jesus Christ in the world, and not some local religious country club that goes through the weekly religious performance rituals, thinking that somehow that will make us true disciples of Christ (students, those who actually study and learn from the Master Himself). Playing the same old role in a performance is not the same thing as being a committed student bent on becoming even as Christ as their goal.
Question: How has your personal relationship with Jesus matured (altered, grew) over the past year? Five years? Ten or even twenty years? Or, are you still quoting Acts 2:38 as the cornerstone (Gospel Message) of the entire Bible?
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
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Has anyone thought about holding their services like Paul instructed? You know - in the 'old' apostolic style? (See 1Cor 5 for a 'working' example.)
Or, should the saints of God take up the task and responsibility of 'saving' people and allow the teachers to move on with the deeper things of God? ( Heb 5:11-6:6). After all, of what value is it for the preachers to continue to go over and over hell and damnation to those who have been established by God's Spirit as a holy priesthood?
Where is the teaching that equips the saints unto spiritual maturity and right relationship with God? What about the tools required to live an 'over coming' life? How to both live and to walk in the Spirit? The identification of an individual's spiritual gifts and the authority and freedom to exercise them? How to identify and work in the power of spiritual authority that a priest of God is to walk and function? Or, the identification, requirements, and training of a person in their spiritual calling?
And, please, do not tell me that all of these things are the responsibility of the local pastor! It is that kind of mind set that has allowed the western church to decay to the point it we find it in today. It is time for the children of God to stand up and once again to take personal responsibility for our own salvation and spiritual growth and to function as the integrated body of Jesus Christ in the world, and not some local religious country club that goes through the weekly religious performance rituals, thinking that somehow that will make them true disciples of Christ (students, those who actually study and learn from the Master Himself). Playing the same old role in a performance is not the same thing as being a committed student bent on becoming even as Christ as their goal.
Question: How has your personal relationship with Jesus matured (altered, grew) over the past year? Five years? Ten or even twenty years? Or, are you still quoting Acts 2:38 as the cornerstone (Gospel Message) of the entire Bible? |
Very well said. I love it when you speak up. You always put things in an excellent perspective! 
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05-02-2010, 08:57 PM
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
As a follow up question/challenge:
How many preachers can actually list (and preach/teach) on what everyone of the Apostles taught, yes, even including the teaching of Joses and that 'other' Judas? How does one locate and identify what every Apostle taught? How can be sure of their findings? Who among us has taken up that task and what have been your results? One would think that after 2,000 years, we would have these kinds of basic issues nailed down, as it were - or in this case - NOT!
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05-02-2010, 09:02 PM
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
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Very well said. I love it when you speak up. You always put things in an excellent perspective! |
LOLOL Thank you for the vote of confidence.The problem with that, however, is now I feel obligated to try to live up to it! Something beyond my current ability. Sigh - But I too am but a struggling student of the word.
Shalom Aleichem, my friend.
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05-02-2010, 09:33 PM
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
Okay - one more follow up question relating directly to this thread's title.
Who here can give us a biblical definition of the term 'sin'? To actually define sin and explain what it is, and what does it consist of, according to exact biblical precepts?
Now, I'll leave the thread alone and go to bed.
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05-02-2010, 09:52 PM
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Re: Is preaching about sin out of fashion in churc
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I have a great pair of ripped jeans and a tight t-shirt that I can loan you if you're interested! |
I have to lose about 40 pounds and 4" around the waist first! LOL!!!
Otherwise the masses would be running OUT of church rather than being pulled in by how cool I am dressing so casually. 
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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