Ya know...that little "FISH" sign on the back of your car

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Can you prove that the fish symbol used by early christians to identify themselves as Christians to other Christians while they were being persecuted by Rome comes from Dagon and other fish gods?

Similarity is not causation.

Im sure you can take apart any number of other symbols in various parts and come up with something....that alone does not prove it is pagan

I understand where you are coming from.
The fish has a long and varied use as a pagan symbol. This may help to explain it better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_symbol

I have studied this in great depth. This material is out there for anyone to read.
Most christian symbolism today has pagan roots and ties to trinity or direct ties to occultism. If people would but look they might be a bit horrified at what they find, trinis and oneness alike.
NI

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NobodyImportant

I understand where you are coming from.
The fish has a long and varied use as a pagan symbol. This may help to explain it better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_symbol

I have studied this in great depth. This material is out there for anyone to read.
Most christian symbolism today has pagan roots and ties to trinity or direct ties to occultism. If people would but look they might be a bit horrified at what they find, trinis and oneness alike.
NI

I see that page has only 2 sources for the material and so most of it is disputed. However they do give reference for the symbol being used by pagans and such as Dagon. However that alone does not mean the origen of the Christian use of it comes from paganism. Muslims invented Algebra, does that make it a no-no for us to use?

See my point? Just because someone else used a symbol first and that someone else believed stuff we do not, that does not make our use of it equally pagan.

We have to look at WHY the early Christians used the fish symbol and did they actually get it from a pagan source? Sunday is a pagan word and Sunday worship is pagan (Pagans worshiped on Sunday and pagans used fish symbols and pagans ate pork and beef and pagans did this and that)

So simply that pagans were known to use a fish symbol does not make the fish symbol Christians used was pagan

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I see that page has only 2 sources for the material and so most of it is disputed. However they do give reference for the symbol being used by pagans and such as Dagon. However that alone does not mean the origen of the Christian use of it comes from paganism. Muslims invented Algebra, does that make it a no-no for us to use?

See my point? Just because someone else used a symbol first and that someone else believed stuff we do not, that does not make our use of it equally pagan.

We have to look at WHY the early Christians used the fish symbol and did they actually get it from a pagan source? Sunday is a pagan word and Sunday worship is pagan (Pagans worshiped on Sunday and pagans used fish symbols and pagans ate pork and beef and pagans did this and that)

So simply that pagans were known to use a fish symbol does not make the fish symbol Christians used was pagan

Let's face it. Everything we do the pagans did first, including Christmas and Easter!

I know someone who preaches against Christmas because of the pagan origins and thinks those who celebrate it are hellbound but he celebrates his kids' birthdays, even though he knows birthday celebrations are also pagan rituals......LOL!

Oh, but that's different!