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Old 05-26-2010, 11:41 AM
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Sounds like diversity for me in Acts I mean all those people heard them speaking all these diffrent languages...that to me is diversity....
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Sounds like diversity for me in Acts I mean all those people heard them speaking all these diffrent languages...that to me is diversity....
Seems as if you understand my question.
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Seems as if you understand my question.
Did you read the article? it deals with this issue and answers all of your questions. Please read the article and then respond to it. Thanks.
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Did you read the article? it deals with this issue and answers all of your questions. Please read the article and then respond to it. Thanks.
I did read the article and no offense but in no way did it answer my question. As mentioned in a previous post on the day of Pentecost onlookers heard them speaking in what would have been a foriegn language! There have been numerous missionary accounts of English being spoken!
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I did read the article and no offense but in no way did it answer my question. As mentioned in a previous post on the day of Pentecost onlookers heard them speaking in what would have been a foriegn language! There have been numerous missionary accounts of English being spoken!
So, you give validity to the missionary’s accounts. Do you hold the opinion that the unknown languages being spoken in Apostolic churches are not from God? How can you judge such matters?

I'm sorry if my question sounds rude. It is not my intention to be rude.

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So, you give validity to the missionary’s accounts. Do you hold the opinion that the unknown languages being spoken in Apostolic churches are not from God? How can you judge such matters?

I'm sorry if my question sounds rude. It is not my intention to be rude.
Dont get so defensive! You are not understanding my question. Read Acts2:5-11. Thats not a missionaries tale thats Bible! My question was , are the tongues in 1 Corinthians 12 the same as in Acts 2???
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:08 PM
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Dont get so defensive! You are not understanding my question. Read Acts2:5-11. Thats not a missionaries tale thats Bible! My question was , are the tongues in 1 Corinthians 12 the same as in Acts 2???
The tongues in Acts 2 were a sign to the unbelievers. They heard them speaking in their own tongue...therefore, they marvelled. Paul spoke of a different type of tongue in 1 Cor. 12:

1 Corinthians 12:10 (New King James Version)
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

So according to Paul, there is a kind of tongue that must be interpreted. However, this does not imply that all tongues should be interpreted.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (New King James Version)
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

He speaks to God, not to man and is speaking mysteries, but no man can understand him. Hope this helps.

Sorry if I sounded defensive. Just making a point.
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Dont get so defensive! You are not understanding my question. Read Acts2:5-11. Thats not a missionaries tale thats Bible! My question was , are the tongues in 1 Corinthians 12 the same as in Acts 2???
If they are the same kind of tongues then tongues are most definetely not required as part of a salvation experience (1 Corinthians 12 is clear that not all speak in tongues, whichever type it is referring to).

Further, it is my opinion that all the verses about tongues in 1 Corinthians 14 are speaking of the same type of tongues mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12 (If this is true it would mean that nothing from 1 Corinthians 14 could be used to support the tongues as initial evidence doctrine).

It is further my opinion that the tongues mentioned in Acts were the same type of tongues mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. This is my opinion because we see no mention of another other type of tongues being practiced in the bible other than those in Acts. However, there are some good reasons for believing those two types of tongues from Acts and Corinthians are different. Tongues were not practiced in Acts decently and orderly. On every occasion more than 3 people spoke in tongues. In Acts there is no acknowledgement of an interpretor being present so the church can receive edifying. These things clearly indicate that either there was a different kind of tongues being spoken of in Acts compared to 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 or that the accounts in Acts happened before the apostles were fully able to understand that tongues should be practiced decently and orderly and only 3 people at most and with an interpretor.
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Did you read the article? it deals with this issue and answers all of your questions. Please read the article and then respond to it. Thanks.
The article deals with the question of "unlearned languages" versus "learned languages." That doesn't really appear to be the point here. allstate's question seems to be about "known languages" versus "unknown and mysterious utterances" sometimes called "gibberish" by critics.

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