Worship Casualties: Who speaks for the injured?

notofworks · #1 06-05-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

Well, I have to disagree somewhat with NOW. I have been "slain" under the power of the Spirit of God a few times. No one pushed me and I was totally unable to get up for a while. It hasn't happened often, but it has happened. I think sometimes God's power just is so overwhelming that your physical body just can't stand it. I don't see it as any different than in the Bible when someone fell to the ground when the presence of God was there.

I have also seen men and women deep in the bush in Africa fall to the ground when we prayed for them and the power of God hit them. It was not a learned response for them; it was definitely the power of God. I've seen God do amazing miracles in people's lives while they were on the carpet. I've also seen them fall to the ground and immediately begin to speak in tongues.

Is there Bible precedent for it? Not sure, but I know it happens. God can move any way He wants to in my life - I just want to be available and have discernment to know when it's really Him.

All that said, I will NOT do a CD (Courtesy Drop)!

I understand your disagreement. But I would respectfully suggest that I could get statements from dozens who will say they howled like a dog, laughed like a hyena, or pooped in their diapers and there was just no way they could help it. In fact, I've heard the testimonials in the Rodney Howard Brown-type stuff.

I've had some very strong divine encounters. But I was never out of control. God doesn't want us to be out of control. It's the same reason He doesn't want us to get drunk on alcohol. And "Self-Control" is one of the Fruit of the Spirit. If a Fruit of the Spirit is "Self-Control", how could I be totally "Out-of-control" and claim I'm under the influence of the Holy Spirit? I'm unable to connect those dots.

Hoovie · #2 06-05-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I understand your disagreement. But I would respectfully suggest that I could get statements from dozens who will say they howled like a dog, laughed like a hyena, or pooped in their diapers and there was just no way they could help it. In fact, I've heard the testimonials in the Rodney Howard Brown-type stuff.

I've had some very strong divine encounters. But I was never out of control. God doesn't want us to be out of control. It's the same reason He doesn't want us to get drunk on alcohol. And "Self-Control" is one of the Fruit of the Spirit. If a Fruit of the Spirit is "Self-Control", how could I be totally "Out-of-control" and claim I'm under the influence of the Holy Spirit? I'm unable to connect those dots.

It is because of this that what you say carries very little weight in this discussion. You have really not had the experience on any deep level like many others have.

For myself, I am not sure either. Early on in my Pentecostal years I had participated in a little shockamoo, runnings and an OTB or two, but I am still not sure that I was ever "Out of control".

I actually do recall telling someone else that I had experienced something so supernatural that I sort left my physical body. Now, I think I simply wanted to believe that very badly.

notofworks · #3 06-05-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

It is because of this that what you say carries very little weight in this discussion. You have really not had the experience on any deep level like many others have.

For myself, I am not sure either. Early on in my Pentecostal years I had participated in a little shockamoo, runnings and an OTB or two, but I am still not sure that I was ever "Out of control".

I actually do recall telling someone else that I had experienced something so supernatural that I sort left my physical body. Now, I think I simply wanted to believe that very badly.

Bolded: Really??? I would think exactly the opposite. Are you saying that because some HAS pooped uncontrollably under the power of the Holy Ghost, that it would lend them credibility into the discussion? If someone NOT experiencing something takes away their "street cred", then it would seem that someone that HAS experienced something makes them credible.

Just because I haven't experienced something that doesn't exist in the first place doesn't remove my foundation to comment about it. It's like saying, "Well, because you've never seen a UFO, you can't lend any help into the discussion of UFO's".

But again, the scriptural principles are the ONLY thing that matters here. Personal stories are just that...stories. Stories are a dime a dozen and we could gather some stuff that would make you immediately say, "No way", and we already have, at least, a couple of those things...pooping, barking like a dog, and laughing like a hyena. Do you think that your lack of experience in those areas takes away your ability to comment about their validity? I'm sure you would say, "No."

Hoovie · #4 06-05-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Bolded: Really??? I would think exactly the opposite. Are you saying that because some HAS pooped uncontrollably under the power of the Holy Ghost, that it would lend them credibility into the discussion? If someone NOT experiencing something takes away their "street cred", then it would seem that someone that HAS experienced something makes them credible.

Just because I haven't experienced something that doesn't exist in the first place doesn't remove my foundation to comment about it. It's like saying, "Well, because you've never seen a UFO, you can't lend any help into the discussion of UFO's".

But again, the scriptural principles are the ONLY thing that matters here. Personal stories are just that...stories. Stories are a dime a dozen and we could gather some stuff that would make you immediately say, "No way", and we already have, at least, a couple of those things...pooping, barking like a dog, and laughing like a hyena. Do you think that your lack of experience in those areas takes away your ability to comment about their validity? I'm sure you would say, "No."

No we can comment on them, but if you have actually experienced something then later had second thoughts about it... or about the meaning or nature of the experience you would be more credible.

notofworks · #5 06-05-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

No we can comment on them, but if you have actually experienced something then later had second thoughts about it... or about the meaning or nature of the experience you would be more credible.

But how can I experience something that doesn't exist? My point is, anyone who has done this fell over because they psychologically wanted to, not because they had no choice in the matter. With that in mind, there's no way I could have experienced it.

Hoovie · #6 06-05-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

But how can I experience something that doesn't exist? My point is, anyone who has done this fell over because they psychologically wanted to, not because they had no choice in the matter. With that in mind, there's no way I could have experienced it.

Hmmm... perhaps we differ here then. I believe it does exist, I am not at all ready to say everyone is fabricating their experiences.

I don't believe it's necessarily attributable to the Holy Spirit. (I do believe some Holy Spirit filled Christians experience it)

Esther · #7 06-05-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

But how can I experience something that doesn't exist? My point is, anyone who has done this fell over because they psychologically wanted to, not because they had no choice in the matter. With that in mind, there's no way I could have experienced it.

Again you say this as though YOU know and are right and anyone else is wrong.

But I hate to disappoint you, but I believe you are very much wrong.

Just because you have not experience it nor have a desire to experience it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It has happened too many times to say it is psychologically induced.

Jason B · #8 06-05-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Bolded: Really??? I would think exactly the opposite. Are you saying that because some HAS pooped uncontrollably under the power of the Holy Ghost, that it would lend them credibility into the discussion? If someone NOT experiencing something takes away their "street cred", then it would seem that someone that HAS experienced something makes them credible.

But again, the scriptural principles are the ONLY thing that matters here. Personal stories are just that...stories. Stories are a dime a dozen and we could gather some stuff that would make you immediately say, "No way", and we already have, at least, a couple of those things...pooping, barking like a dog, and laughing like a hyena. Do you think that your lack of experience in those areas takes away your ability to comment about their validity? I'm sure you would say, "No."

This post is about to cause me "Holy Laughter"