Acts 2: Then and Now

pastorrick1959 · #1 06-25-2010, 09:09 PM

mr joe .. you are truely deceiveing your own self . you even admit you have to conjure up a different idea to make your idea work ...

peter stated they are not drunk as ye suppose ,seeing it is but the third hour of the day .. never did he deny they were drunk or acted that way NOWHERE. they were drunk in the spirit ..

i am so glad our church is a lively church that gets emotional ,,,i would go to sleep in your church probably if they are dead as a doorknob.

no church on fire for god is dead ,no praise and worship.

as for the comment one guy made about a lady screaming every service ..did it occur to you she might very well have something worth screaming over. maybe you should hang around her some and let it rub off a bit !

shag · #2 06-26-2010, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

mr joe .. you are truely deceiveing your own self . you even admit you have to conjure up a different idea to make your idea work ...

peter stated they are not drunk as ye suppose ,seeing it is but the third hour of the day .. never did he deny they were drunk or acted that way NOWHERE. they were drunk in the spirit ..

He did not affirm it either with ANY scriptual reference either, so really, we should be careful what we add to the word of God as a requirment for "spiritualness".

i am so glad our church is a lively church that gets emotional ,,,i would go to sleep in your church probably if they are dead as a doorknob.

no church on fire for god is dead ,no praise and worship.

Many have outlined requirements of what it supposedly is to be "on fire for God" concerning worship that is given to God, and it is sometimes well beyong scripture references. If there lacks the unscriptural aile running or whatever, then its judged as a dead unspiritual church. Truth is they were SITTING DOWN waiting for the Holyghost to come upon them in Acts 2, not dancin around getting all worked up and spiritual enough for it(Him) to fall. Then when He did "fall", they spoken in many languages understood by those that had traveled to Jerusulem. Thats the reason given that they thought they were drunk. Nothing about stumbling around drunk, wallering around on the ground, clucking like a chicken, oinking like a pig, dancing in the spirit, or whatever else kinda thing folks think they might have been doing. Heres the deal, I agree we should NOT judge other's experiences with God, but at the same time we can NOT REQUIRE folks to practice things not found in scripture in order for them to be considered(judged) "apostolic" or "ON FIRE FOR GOD".

as for the comment one guy made about a lady screaming every service ..did it occur to you she might very well have something worth screaming over. maybe you should hang around her some and let it rub off a bit !

also...when I was real young I had a teenage cousin, that recived the Holyghost and laughed without even recognizing anyone untill she woke up the next day. I do not judge that as it is between her and God, and also I do not require that as part of my reasoning for someone to be "spirit filled or on fire" any more than I would the other person in the pew that received His spirit without gigling all night, and has continued to produce spiritual fruit, but does not outwardly display wild so called "apostolic worship".

JoeHardy07 · #3 06-26-2010, 08:25 AM

Hey guys,

Need to apologize to ya! Didn't mean to cause a ruckus. Just trying to get some opinions of why and how these things came into the church.

However, I have to stand firm on my own opinions. I'm not deceiving myself. Peter did in fact deny they were drunk. The problem with that passage is this: the way it's written makes it subject to being twisted to mean anything. And my argument is solid because in the half dozen out-pouring recordings there is not a single mention of any of our "drunken activities." I understand what was said about not following scripture to a T, but dont you think that with a half dozen recordings that at least once in there the jirating and screaming would have been mentioned?

It isn't.

And I totally agree with the "all things in common" comment. Seems like no one ever reaches that part when billowing about the great and wonderful Holy Ghost of Acts chapter 2...lol...always seem to leave that part out...

What happens after a Holy Ghost service nowadays? Anyone who can afford it meets up for a fine meal and fellowship at McDs or whatever. Ha ha!

As far as a lively church and falling asleep amidst a bunch of dead-heads, that's the flesh talking. We think if the music is not loud and fast, and the people are not jirating acroos the floor, that God's Spirit is not there. Bummer. That sure isnt what's recorded in Acts.

By the way, does anyone know what the angel did after he rolled away the stone from Jesus tomb? That dead-head sat on it!! The presence of God was all around and that dead-head hopped up on top of that stone and sat on it!!! (Matt 28:2). Now if he can't dance and shout down here in the presence of God...how's he gona dance in heaven???

Hey, thanks for bringing up Holy Laughter too. Forgot about that one! LOL!

pastorrick1959 · #4 06-26-2010, 10:00 AM

[JoeHardy07]Hey guys,

Need to apologize to ya! Didn't mean to cause a ruckus. Just trying to get some opinions of why and how these things came into the church.

However, I have to stand firm on my own opinions. I'm not deceiving myself. Peter did in fact deny they were drunk. The problem with that passage is this: the way it's written makes it subject to being twisted to mean anything. And my argument is solid because in the half dozen out-pouring recordings there is not a single mention of any of our "drunken activities." I understand what was said about not following scripture to a T, but dont you think that with a half dozen recordings that at least once in there the jirating and screaming would have been mentioned?

ABSOLUTELY WE DISAGREE...PETER NEVER DENIED THEY WERE DRUNK .. post it scripture and verse.. does a person have to shout and dance around nope,, but it sure feels good. and he said glorify god in your body and your spirit .. this body is all we got to praise him with. if you choose not too then fine ...but why dog out others that do like it .. you have your opinion no matter how far in left field i believe it is ,,and your enitiled to it. but why drag others down or put what they do down...?? i feel it is to make you feel better about not haveing real holy ghost fire . or a burning desire to worship. i am not saying you dont love god i am sure you do ...you simply have a calmer approach and dont like the wilder churches .. thats fine .. there a pentecostal ,smart bible readers class church just for you somewhere.. however you might not want to come to decherd tenn. its gonna get loud and its gonna get wild to some degree anyhow lol.

It isn't.

And I totally agree with the "all things in common" comment. Seems like no one ever reaches that part when billowing about the great and wonderful Holy Ghost of Acts chapter 2...lol...always seem to leave that part out...

What happens after a Holy Ghost service nowadays? Anyone who can afford it meets up for a fine meal and fellowship at McDs or whatever. Ha ha!ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS?

As far as a lively church and falling asleep amidst a bunch of dead-heads, that's the flesh talking. We think if the music is not loud and fast, and the people are not jirating acroos the floor, that God's Spirit is not there. Bummer. That sure isnt what's recorded in Acts.flesh talking? NO EXPERIENCE been there done that ...i like crying services where conviction is all over folks and slow songs is that bad too? i like teaching service where we do just sit and learn . i like it all bro. you cant just do one thing and have a well balanced meal.

By the way, does anyone know what the angel did after he rolled away the stone from Jesus tomb? That dead-head sat on it!! The presence of God was all around and that dead-head hopped up on top of that stone and sat on it!!! (Matt 28:2). Now if he can't dance and shout down here in the presence of God...how's he gona dance in heaven??? he might have sat down because he was tired from shouting....

Hey, thanks for bringing up Holy Laughter too. Forgot about that one! LOL![/QUOTE]

now go drink fronm the well., that never shall run dry one more time!

JoeHardy07 · #5 06-26-2010, 11:36 AM

Wasn't trying to dog anyone about their ideas of self expression. Just seen too many dogged for NOT being ecstatic. Wondering why...when it's not even mentioned in reference to any of the Holy Ghost encounters in Acts.

I don't question what IS written. I question what is NOT written; what has been inserted between the lines...or otherwise invented over time.

We know Peter denied drunkeness, because it's plainly written.

We know the tongues were earthly, because it's plainly written.

We don't if they were dancing, shouting, laughing, and reeling; because it is NOT written...at all...not even vaguely mentioned...

The angel was probably tired from pushing the stone out of the way, but we don't know, because it's not stated. So, I couldn't teach it for truth.

Peter said they were not drunk - Pentecostals say they were.

Acts states the tongues were earthly - Pentecostals say they were the language of heaven, unknown to any man on earth.

Acts states that the disciples were seated - Pentecostals say stand and shout the Holy Ghost down.

Acts states the Holy Ghost came suddenly - Pentecostal services gradually build to a climax.

Joel states the signs of the out-pouring are visions, dreams and prophecy - Pentecostals say the signs of the out-pouring are heavenly languages (la la la le le le...himo t' kabe nay-shu tee hah), being slain in the spirit, holy laughter, sobbing, wailing moaning, running jumping, and shaking noobs into tongues.

I win.

SteppingStone · #6 06-26-2010, 11:50 AM

shag · #7 06-26-2010, 12:41 PM

Samuel 1:12 As she kept on praying to the LORD, Eli observed her mouth. 13 Hannah was praying in her heart, and her lips were moving but her voice was not heard. Eli thought she was drunk 14 and said to her, "How long will you keep on getting drunk? Get rid of your wine."

15 "Not so, my lord," Hannah replied, "I am a woman who is deeply troubled. I have not been drinking wine or beer; I was pouring out my soul to the LORD. 16 Do not take your servant for a wicked woman; I have been praying here out of my great anguish and grief."

Hannah was also accused of being drunk. Was she acting like she was drunk like some assume they must have been acting in Acts 2? NO. She was ONLY accused of being drunk because her lips were moving and her voice was not heard. Similiarly, in Acts 2, they VERY likely were NOT stumbling around annebriated, but just speaking in a manner that was unheard of(yet comprehended languages), and therefore folks thought they might be tippin the bottle, just like Eli thought Hannah had been doing.