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Old 07-08-2010, 06:31 PM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist

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I guess I will have to check it out.

Jesus the human wasn't the Father, the Spirit that dwelled in him was. The Holy Ghost comes from the Father which to me is the Father.
David Benard teaches Jesus Christ had a DUAL nature which is a thought I do not agree with.Scripture is very clear who Jesus was..He no where claimed to be God not one time anytime nowhere.God cannot be seen,Jesus made known the Father to the world but to say when someone saw Jesus they were looking AT the Father in a human body IMHO is not scriptural..
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Old 07-08-2010, 06:38 PM
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David Benard teaches Jesus Christ had a DUAL nature which is a thought I do not agree with.Scripture is very clear who Jesus was..He no where claimed to be God not one time anytime nowhere.God cannot be seen,Jesus made known the Father to the world but to say when someone saw Jesus they were looking AT the Father in a human body IMHO is not scriptural..
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

When I read that to me it's saying God was in the Anointing (The Spirit.)

Dual nature meaning half man half God?
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Old 07-08-2010, 06:49 PM
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2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

When I read that to me it's saying God was in the Anointing (The Spirit.)

Dual nature meaning half man half God?
Sounds weird does it not?..I agree Jesus Christ was annointed by God himself..

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Notice it does not say for God WAS him..as some would believe

To say Jesus had a dual nature makes him out to be a lunatic..Umm He knows everything but at the same time,He did not know the day and hour?

Hey,let em believe it if they want,I will simply disagree and allow Jesus to be who He said He was..


Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

I call this verse the missing verse in Acts 2..it gets ran over on the way to verse 38..



Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
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Would this mean that Jesus, before He was born, was manifested as the Holy Ghost who overshadowed Mary, in essence being His own Father.

Who was Jesus calling "Father".....Himself?
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Would this mean that Jesus, before He was born, was manifested as the Holy Ghost who overshadowed Mary, in essence being His own Father.

Who was Jesus calling "Father".....Himself?
Sounds like you never heard of oneness.

Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all God's single person manifesting in those three manners. How is that not possible for God, who is not a human being with limitations of a human being?

You consistently disregard what I am saying about limiting God with limits of humans. Your basis of comparison is human beings. Everytime you claim Jesus Fathered Himself, etc., you are making a basis of a single human being person to analyze if God can be a single person, when you do not stop to think God is not a single human person. That cannot be your basis of assessment!
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2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

When I read that to me it's saying God was in the Anointing (The Spirit.)

Dual nature meaning half man half God?
The dual nature of Jesus Christ does not create a half God half man as in Greek Mythology. The dual nature of Jesus Christ is where the Almighty God who continues from eternity exists, and at the same time assumed to himself a human nature therefore creating a temperal existance: a man, the man Christ Jesus. The Dual Nature perfectly articulates, in my opinion, the union of God with man in a way which would not cofuse the two (Deity and Humanity) or effect the one with the other, but at the same time allow the person, Jesus Christ, to be both. Jesus was both God and Man at the same time. Jesus was God because of his Divinity. Jesus was man because of his Humanity. Jesus the total person prayed to the Father because of the human nature but it was the total person who prayed or else the person is destroyed and is reduced to dual personalities trapped in a body.

Jesus (God existing as a man) could be anointed by, indwelt by, be witnessed to, pray to, love and be loved by God his Father (God continuing to exist as He always has) without creating two in the Godhead or confusing the person of Christ and having Jesus pray to himself. The dual nature makes this possible. In my opinion.
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The dual nature of Jesus Christ does not create a half God half man as in Greek Mythology. The dual nature of Jesus Christ is where the Almighty God who continues from eternity exists, and at the same time assumed to himself a human nature therefore creating a temperal existance: a man, the man Christ Jesus. The Dual Nature perfectly articulates, in my opinion, the union of God with man in a way which would not cofuse the two (Deity and Humanity) or effect the one with the other, but at the same time allow the person, Jesus Christ, to be both. Jesus was both God and Man at the same time. Jesus was God because of his Divinity. Jesus was man because of his Humanity. Jesus the total person prayed to the Father because of the human nature but it was the total person who prayed or else the person is destroyed and is reduced to dual personalities trapped in a body.

Jesus (God existing as a man) could be anointed by, indwelt by, be witnessed to, pray to, love and be loved by God his Father (God continuing to exist as He always has) without creating two in the Godhead or confusing the person of Christ and having Jesus pray to himself. The dual nature makes this possible. In my opinion.
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Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13 .. while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

Is. 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


What do U make of this SRM? Is Jesus Christ not our God AND SAVIOUR?
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Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13 .. while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

Is. 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


What do U make of this SRM? Is Jesus Christ not our God AND SAVIOUR?
Wouldn't the scriptural statement that God was in Christ be in agreement with these scriptures?
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Wouldn't the scriptural statement that God was in Christ be in agreement with these scriptures?
yep. Has to be.







good explan. rawooddell
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