??? Daniel chapter 7 "Oneness"???

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The idea of the "Ancient of Days" is an apocalyptic theme carried forth into Revelation.

Ask your friend, "If the Ancient of Days is Jesus Christ (compare Daniel 7:9, with Revelation 1:14-15) who then is the "Son of Man?"

Good proof that Jesus is the Father and the Son.

[Esther]

thanks for the incredible post.

[Sam]

Thank you, Pelathais, for those good words.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esther

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

In studying a little further I discovered that the Ancient of days is only referred to in this one chapter, as "The Ancient of Days".

Amen Esther.

The coming of the Ancient of Days is at the end of the great tribulation/beast period.

Daniel 7:21-22

[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
[22] Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

The coming of the Son of man is the same time frame. After the beast persecutes the Saints.

29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matt. 24:29-31

The coming of the Son Of Man is the coming of the Ancient Of Days.

[mfblume]

Dan 7 agrees with Rev 5. The lamb goes to the one on the throne. In Dan 7, the Son of man goes to the Ancient of Days. The point is that this is symbolic, and not visibly actual. It shows atonement principle as the high priest going into the holiest, where Son is high priest ministering before Deity.

Forget the WHEN this occurred. The issue is about atonement principle, which we can apply to any situation we ever experience.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Dan 7 agrees with Rev 5. The lamb goes to the one on the throne. In Dan 7, the Son of man goes to the Ancient of Days. The point is that this is symbolic, and not visibly actual. It shows atonement principle as the high priest going into the holiest, where Son is high priest ministering before Deity.

Forget the WHEN this occurred. The issue is about atonement principle, which we can apply to any situation we ever experience.

I will not forget the when. It happens immediately after the tribulation in both cases. Its inspired to show the second coming of the Son of Man is the same event as the coming of the Ancient of Days spoken by Daniel the Prophet.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I will not forget the when. It happens immediately after the tribulation in both cases. Its inspired to show the second coming of the Son of Man is the same event as the coming of the Ancient of Days spoken by Daniel the Prophet.

I think that what Mike was saying is that "WHEN" doesn't affect the "WHAT."

We have two subjects appearing simultaneously and being described in a fashion the doesn't really make any sense literally. The "Lamb" is simultaneously "in the midst of the elders" and "in the midst of the throne" when He approaches the throne.

That doesn't make any sense as a "visual actuality," as Mike puts it. It does make perfect sense as a word picture though. The "Lamb" is both human and Divine. The Lamb approaches the throne to do something, interacting with the One Who sits on the throne. Yet, the Lamb Himself is simultaneously identified as that One sitting on the throne.

It's an incredible word picture.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I will not forget the when. It happens immediately after the tribulation in both cases. Its inspired to show the second coming of the Son of Man is the same event as the coming of the Ancient of Days spoken by Daniel the Prophet.

I'm not smart enough to argue about that kind of thing so this is just a statement, not an invitation to debate.

Revelation 4 is seen by some dispensationalists as a pre-tribulation rapture of the church.
Daniel 7 is seen as the post-tribulation second coming of Christ to the earth to set up His kingdom on earth per Revelation 19:11-21; 20:1-6; Jude 14; Zechariah 14:1-21

Also, some see the Ancient of Days in Daniel 7 as Jesus and the one like the son of man (Daniel 7:13) being the church who is glorified and like Him (1 John 3:2; 1 Corinthians 15:49)

It's been a long time (over half a century) but I think that's the way Bro. Norris taught it at ABI.

Like I said, I'm not arguing, just presenting a different opinion.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think that what Mike was saying is that "WHEN" doesn't affect the "WHAT."

We have two subjects appearing simultaneously and being described in a fashion the doesn't really make any sense literally. The "Lamb" is simultaneously "in the midst of the elders" and "in the midst of the throne" when He approaches the throne.

That doesn't make any sense as a "visual actuality," as Mike puts it. It does make perfect sense as a word picture though. The "Lamb" is both human and Divine. The Lamb approaches the throne to do something, interacting with the One Who sits on the throne. Yet, the Lamb Himself is simultaneously identified as that One sitting on the throne.

It's an incredible word picture.

Yes exactly right.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sam

I'm not smart enough to argue about that kind of thing so this is just a statement, not an invitation to debate.

Revelation 4 is seen by some dispensationalists as a pre-tribulation rapture of the church.
Daniel 7 is seen as the post-tribulation second coming of Christ to the earth to set up His kingdom on earth per Revelation 19:11-21; 20:1-6; Jude 14; Zechariah 14:1-21

Also, some see the Ancient of Days in Daniel 7 as Jesus and the one like the son of man (Daniel 7:13) being the church who is glorified and like Him (1 John 3:2; 1 Corinthians 15:49)

It's been a long time (over half a century) but I think that's the way Bro. Norris taught it at ABI.

Like I said, I'm not arguing, just presenting a different opinion.

Well my point was actually that the scriptures show that the same event in both situations is the coming of Jesus and that he must be both Son of Man and Ancient of Days.