UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

MissBrattified · #1 07-13-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree with you Stephen. It is not fornication to wear a bikini. Secular people at the beach think that it's normal.

The issue is, why is this women dressed in this fashion when her husband is not present? The article said that James FOUND his wife, wearing a bikini with the husband of a mutual friend. That means he was SHOCKED to find her in this fashion.

I'm with Bratti - not giving her a pass no matter what the pastor did. And, yes, he should be careful how he addressed the issue. We don't know if this caused a big stink in the church and he decided to address the church body. He can do that if he wants to. My point is that she was doing something wrong in her life to end up in a bikini at a pool side with another man. To say adultery or fornication was NOT going on is also speculation.

What stinks about the pastor's actions is that he left what she was actually guilty of open for speculation. That's either superbly ignorant or deliberately clever.

I think that if she had been guilty of adultery or fornication it would have come out by now. Don't you think? This happened in 2006. The pastor and husband didn't accuse her of any extra-marital sex act. Just "exhibitionism." That's a lame accusation, and doesn't fall under the category of fornication. It seems to have been umbrella-ed in so that the pastor's daughter would be free to date the ex-husband.

The lawsuit was justified. I'm suspicious of her motives, but without further evidence I don't feel comfortable accusing her of anything more than impropriety. The pastor should have felt that same discomfort.

jfrog mentioned it as being a rebellious gesture towards the church and her husband, and I can see that happening--and also setting the stage for some bad judgment calls. Being immodest, indiscreet or just plain acting stupid doesn't mean you're being immoral, even when it may look that way (because you were so indiscreet you didn't care about appearances.)

I would be interested to hear Aquila's take on this situation, considering what he's been through recently.

Pressing-On · #2 07-13-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What stinks about the pastor's actions is that he left what she was actually guilty of open for speculation. That's either superbly ignorant or deliberately clever.

I think that if she had been guilty of adultery or fornication it would have come out by now. Don't you think? This happened in 2006. The pastor and husband didn't accuse her of any extra-marital sex act. Just "exhibitionism." That's a lame accusation, and doesn't fall under the category of fornication. It seems to have been umbrella-ed in so that the pastor's daughter would be free to date the ex-husband.

The lawsuit was justified. I'm suspicious of her motives, but without further evidence I don't feel comfortable accusing her of anything more than impropriety. The pastor should have felt that same discomfort.

jfrog mentioned it as being a rebellious gesture towards the church and her husband, and I can see that happening--and also setting the stage for some bad judgment calls. Being immodest, indiscreet or just plain acting stupid doesn't mean you're being immoral, even when it may look that way (because you were so indiscreet you didn't care about appearances.)

I would be interested to hear Aquila's take on this situation, considering what he's been through recently.

Accusing her of one event. That just seems really strange. I think we don't know the whole story about this woman. We really don't know the whole story. But, I agree with you, I'm suspicious of her motives.

*AQuietPlace* · #3 07-13-2010, 08:27 PM

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Accusing her of one event. That just seems really strange. I think we don't know the whole story about this woman. We really don't know the whole story. But, I agree with you, I'm suspicious of her motives.

Why are we not suspicious of the motives of the husband who is wanting to re-marry?

Pressing-On · #4 07-13-2010, 08:28 PM

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Why are we not suspicious of the motives of the husband who is wanting to re-marry?

I would be if his wife had not have been in a compromising situation for an Apostolic.

*AQuietPlace* · #5 07-13-2010, 08:31 PM

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I would be if his wife had not have been in a compromising situation for an Apostolic.

His wife did not commit fornication/adultery.... or at least she denies it, and they never gave any proof otherwise.

Nevertheless, he wanted to remarry, apparently in a church that only allows it in the case of adultery. So, they trumped up something on her to give him a reason to remarry.

That is very suspect in my opinion.

DAII · #6 07-13-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

His wife did not commit fornication/adultery.... or at least she denies it, and they never had any proof otherwise.

Nevertheless, he wanted to remarry, apparently in a church that only allows it in the case of adultery. So, they trumped up something on her to give him a reason to remarry.

That is very suspect in my opinion.

Holiness ...

Pressing-On · #7 07-13-2010, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

His wife did not commit fornication/adultery.... or at least she denies it, and they never gave any proof otherwise.

Nevertheless, he wanted to remarry, apparently in a church that only allows it in the case of adultery. So, they trumped up something on her to give him a reason to remarry.

That is very suspect in my opinion.

AQP,
I'm not showing up in a bikini unless I have adulterous/fornication issues in my life. Just sayin'...

But, someone needs to show something that says it is not a fact. I thought that it was conclusive.

DAII · #8 07-13-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

AQP,
I'm not showing up in a bikini unless I have adulterous/fornication issues in my life. Just sayin'...

That doesn't apply to 99.8% of the American population ... you're an abnormal anomaly

Pressing-On · #9 07-13-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

His wife did not commit fornication/adultery.... or at least she denies it, and they never gave any proof otherwise.

BTW, so she and her lawyer said. That doesn't mean it's true.

*AQuietPlace* · #10 07-13-2010, 08:54 PM

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BTW, so she and her lawyer said. That doesn't mean it's true.

Her husband was looking for an excuse to tell before the church..... a reason why it was okay for him to divorce his wife and marry another. And a bikini was the best he could come up with?? Don't you think he would have at least have accused her of actual infidelity if he had suspected it??