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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I agree with you Stephen. It is not fornication to wear a bikini. Secular people at the beach think that it's normal.
The issue is, why is this women dressed in this fashion when her husband is not present? The article said that James FOUND his wife, wearing a bikini with the husband of a mutual friend. That means he was SHOCKED to find her in this fashion.
I'm with Bratti - not giving her a pass no matter what the pastor did. And, yes, he should be careful how he addressed the issue. We don't know if this caused a big stink in the church and he decided to address the church body. He can do that if he wants to. My point is that she was doing something wrong in her life to end up in a bikini at a pool side with another man. To say adultery or fornication was NOT going on is also speculation.
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She was NOT a member of his church.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Originally Posted by DAII
Again the bikini story not fact ... as far as we can see.
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I'm too tired to look back. Can you show where it wasn't fact?
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07-13-2010, 08:14 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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She was NOT a member of his church.
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Did she used to be when she was married and dressed? LOL!
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07-13-2010, 08:14 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Danny,
When I got through with you, you wouldn't be able to use the bat. Just sayin'.... LOL!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-13-2010, 08:14 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
I got to wonder if the first Mrs. Driver being 7 years older than Mr. Driver played any part in this?
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I agree with you Stephen. It is not fornication to wear a bikini. Secular people at the beach think that it's normal.
The issue is, why is this women dressed in this fashion when her husband is not present? The article said that James FOUND his wife, wearing a bikini with the husband of a mutual friend. That means he was SHOCKED to find her in this fashion.
I'm with Bratti - not giving her a pass no matter what the pastor did. And, yes, he should be careful how he addressed the issue. We don't know if this caused a big stink in the church and he decided to address the church body. He can do that if he wants to. My point is that she was doing something wrong in her life to end up in a bikini at a pool side with another man. To say adultery or fornication was NOT going on is also speculation.
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What stinks about the pastor's actions is that he left what she was actually guilty of open for speculation. That's either superbly ignorant or deliberately clever.
I think that if she had been guilty of adultery or fornication it would have come out by now. Don't you think? This happened in 2006. The pastor and husband didn't accuse her of any extra-marital sex act. Just "exhibitionism." That's a lame accusation, and doesn't fall under the category of fornication. It seems to have been umbrella-ed in so that the pastor's daughter would be free to date the ex-husband.
The lawsuit was justified. I'm suspicious of her motives, but without further evidence I don't feel comfortable accusing her of anything more than impropriety. The pastor should have felt that same discomfort.
jfrog mentioned it as being a rebellious gesture towards the church and her husband, and I can see that happening--and also setting the stage for some bad judgment calls. Being immodest, indiscreet or just plain acting stupid doesn't mean you're being immoral, even when it may look that way (because you were so indiscreet you didn't care about appearances.)
I would be interested to hear Aquila's take on this situation, considering what he's been through recently.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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So are you saying that your refusal to get drunk and wear a bikini is what saves you?
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 Dumb question.
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07-13-2010, 08:16 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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The article said that James FOUND his wife, wearing a bikini with the husband of a mutual friend. That means he was SHOCKED to find her in this fashion.
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No it doesn't mean he was shocked. I found my keys on the end table by the couch this morning. I wasn't shocked they were there. I found my boss in his office this morning. No surprise. I found that I was not invited to a meeting at work today, and although I was somewhat surprised, I was still not shocked.
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07-13-2010, 08:16 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Did she used to be when she was married and dressed? LOL!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-13-2010, 08:17 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
What stinks about the pastor's actions is that he left what she was actually guilty of open for speculation. That's either superbly ignorant or deliberately clever.
I think that if she had been guilty of adultery or fornication it would have come out by now. Don't you think? This happened in 2006. The pastor and husband didn't accuse her of any extra-marital sex act. Just "exhibitionism." That's a lame accusation, and doesn't fall under the category of fornication. It seems to have been umbrella-ed in so that the pastor's daughter would be free to date the ex-husband.
The lawsuit was justified. I'm suspicious of her motives, but without further evidence I don't feel comfortable accusing her of anything more than impropriety. The pastor should have felt that same discomfort.
jfrog mentioned it as being a rebellious gesture towards the church and her husband, and I can see that happening--and also setting the stage for some bad judgment calls. Being immodest, indiscreet or just plain acting stupid doesn't mean you're being immoral, even when it may look that way (because you were so indiscreet you didn't care about appearances.)
I would be interested to hear Aquila's take on this situation, considering what he's been through recently.
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Accusing her of one event. That just seems really strange. I think we don't know the whole story about this woman. We really don't know the whole story. But, I agree with you, I'm suspicious of her motives.
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