Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

RDP, I don't know why you are.

No worries, not for long since it's apparent nothing has changed on AFF. Probably why it's constantly mocked elsewhere.

It's not a conversation. We both just talk at each other. It's impossible to have a discussion with you. I give.

Yes, of course, I'm the one entirely wrong here .

You refuse to interact with evidence.

Say what??????? I've referenced & quoted enough Scripture to gag a mule. Problem is, there is no "evidence" for the NT church to be adorning the temple of God in ornaments! Good grief, textual "evidence" is why I reject jewelry! Man, you guys are a hoot!
Your response to all I submitted for consideration is "the Text still instructs 'not with gold'" You aren't realizing that that's precisely what we're discussing. We're finding context for the meaning of "not with Gold."

What was I thinking, appealling to the literal words written in biblical text !

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by rdp

So, I give biblical example after example where God PERMITTED some things that He "hated" in the OT, but now calls all men to repentance in the NT & all you can say is "You're making things up"??? Here's an idea Mike, how about interacting w/ the texts that I gave istead of just ignoring them! Next....

Here is where you reasoning is shown faulty.

God never did things He hated nor alluded to anything that He did was represented by things he hated. Anything he hated that he permitted would not be something He, Himself, said He did if it is figurative or not. SO YES you are making things up.

Peter also so NOT THE WEARING OF APPAREL. And you do not apply your reasoning to that statement. lol

How many times must I say N-O-T the wearing of apparel?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Here is where you reasoning is shown faulty.

God never did things He hated nor alluded to anything that He did was represented by things he hated. Anything he hated that he permitted would not be something He, Himself, said He did if it is figurative or not. SO YES you are making things up.

Mikw says, "God never did things He hated..."? Hmm, let's see if that's right: "I gave her a bill of divorcement....". [Jer.]. "I hate divorce..." [Mal.]. Sorry Mike, wrong again!

Peter also so NOT THE WEARING OF APPAREL. And you do not apply your reasoning to that statement. lol

Pls. tell me you're joking at this point. How many times have I demostrated that the actual Greek states "the wearing of apparel A-D-O-R-N-I-N-G." Can you not read? "LOL" indeed!

How many times must I say N-O-T the wearing of apparel?

Evidently the same amt. of times that I have to quote the Greek! Sorry Charlie, try again................

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by rdp

Evidently the same amt. of times that I have to quote the Greek! Sorry Charlie, try again................

No need -- no use -- to try when dealing with those whose traditions mean more than overall context of the bible.

How come you are not answering why God would hate jewelry and yet use it in indicating his pure and holy love? You are making things up, dude.

You are ignoring the fact that Peter and Paul are not saying do not use jewelry, but rather do not make it YOUR ADORNMENT -- WORLD - KOSMOS. Did you read that in Greek?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No need -- no use -- to try when dealing with those whose traditions mean more than overall context of the bible.

The "overall context" regarding literal ornamentation is a hearty "NO" from God.

How come you are not answering why God would hate jewelry and yet use it in indicating his pure and holy love? You are making things up, dude.

So, I quote Scripture after Scripture, explain ad nauseum the visual beauty of jewelry as a proper representative of God's beutiful Mercy...yet, I'm "not answering" & "making things up"??? Hello...are you home?

You are ignoring the fact that Peter and Paul are not saying do not use jewelry, but rather do not make it YOUR ADORNMENT -- WORLD - KOSMOS. Did you read that in Greek?

And you're wresting the Scriptues to your own destruction, making the Word of God of no affect. For it says exactly the opposite of what you assert above...it literally says, "N-O-T- with gold, pearls,...". Good grief...this is nuts!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by rdp

And you're wresting the Scriptues to your own destruction, making the Word of God of no affect. For it says exactly the opposite of what you assert above...it literally says, "N-O-T- with gold, pearls,...". Good grief...this is nuts!

Enough with the childish rant, rdp. Talk civilly for goodness's sake. Your attitude makes it hard for anyone to hear you.

What were your words about not wearing of apparel? The argument against you has been that if you say not the wearing of gold means never any gold, then not the wearing of apparel means never wearing any clothes. What was it you said about that if you did?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Enough with the childish rant, rdp. Talk civilly for goodness's sake. Your attitude makes it hard for anyone to hear you.

I suppose that your telling me that I'm a typical "legalist/pharisee" is "mature" eh' Mike. What you require of me you yourself do not practice.

What were your words about not wearing of apparel? The argument against you has been that if you say not the wearing of gold means never any gold, then not the wearing of apparel means never wearing any clothes. What was it you said about that if you did?

The Greek text literally states "....apparell ADORNING." In other words, just as the NIV translation affirms [as well as others, but pressed for time], the apparell in I Ptr. 3 was referring to the ostentatious clothing. Or do you reeeeeally believe that God was telling folks not to wear clothes?? You equivocate on gold & apparell, which is a logical fallacy [no matter how Jeffrey may deride it!]. We have to take each article mentioned based upon its own merit. Greek text still says, "Not...the wearing of gold, or apparell adorning." Case closed if we allow the text to simply speak for itself.

Out of pocket for a few days.....rdp.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by rdp

What was I thinking, appealling to the literal words written in biblical text !

Remminds me of a story my pastor growing up used to tell. There was a preacher that has a sister in his church that always wore her hair in a tight knot on the top of her head. One Sunday the preacher took two passages of scripture. One said something about a top knot, the other had come down in the verse. The preacher took the two phrases "top knot, come down" and preached against hair in a tight bun on top of the head.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Remminds me of a story my pastor growing up used to tell. There was a preacher that has a sister in his church that always wore her hair in a tight knot on the top of her head. One Sunday the preacher took two passages of scripture. One said something about a top knot, the other had come down in the verse. The preacher took the two phrases "top knot, come down" and preached against hair in a tight bun on top of the head.

Difference is that I have them all in the same verse & context! "Not with gold, pearls, or costly array." Couldn't be plainer!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Difference is that I have them all in the same verse & context! "Not with gold, pearls, or costly array." Couldn't be plainer!

Please don't ever claim to have taken a hermeneutic class ever again. Thank you.