Exodus 19 and boundries

[jagwinn]

Bro,
Do not look at boundries as restrictive to you. Instead, boundries are to keep the world out!
If you ask God to lead you, and he directs you to a church with a man of God (who is there, by the way, by the direct placement from God) and then you cannot obey the man God has chosen for you, then how can you obey without hesitation any word from God?
Do you not feel that the man God has placed in the pulpit is hearing God? Trust me on this point..God will direct a church through the man he places as the pastor.

Saul lost his future kingdom, and the kingdom of his children, because he could not/would not obey the man of God [Samuel]. Saul thought he had a better idea than who God was using.

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.


1Sa 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.

The selfishness of the world; lust of the eye, lust of the flesh and the pride of life, is what is dissolving the true walk with God today.

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[pelathais]

Originally Posted by jagwinn

Bro,
Do not look at boundries as restrictive to you. Instead, boundries are to keep the world out!
If you ask God to lead you, and he directs you to a church with a man of God (who is there, by the way, by the direct placement from God) and then you cannot obey the man God has chosen for you, then how can you obey without hesitation any word from God?

This approach requires us to apply Deuteronomy 18:21-22, to determine if God really has "placed" that particular man "there." We would also have to overlook the numerous NT Scriptures that clearly indicate that the local church was not under the authority of a single "preacher" - but the churches in the Bible had "elders" - "presbyters" (from the Greek "presbuteros").

What you seem to be describing doesn't appear to be the way the Apostolic church was organized.

Originally Posted by jagwinn

Do you not feel that the man God has placed in the pulpit is hearing God? Trust me on this point..God will direct a church through the man he places as the pastor.

Saul lost his future kingdom, and the kingdom of his children, because he could not/would not obey the man of God [Samuel]. Saul thought he had a better idea than who God was using.

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.


1Sa 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.

The selfishness of the world; lust of the eye, lust of the flesh and the pride of life, is what is dissolving the true walk with God today..

You sure got that last part right, Bro. Men going into a town and setting themselves up as "God's own anointed" without giving any thought to the pattern of the Apostolic church - and all so that they can greedily harvest the "tithes" from people who won't read their own Bibles to see "if these things be so."

How many times have I seen a self appointed and self anointed "man of god" fail the Deuteronomy 18, test? When you point it out to them and beg them to repent and turn their lives over to the Lord Jesus Christ they just stand there - slack jawed.

"You talk to us like we were sinners..." one preacher and his wife complained to me. Duh!