Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What does John 6 have to do with the issue you propose of Christ no longer being in flesh?

Again, my reference to John is that:

S-P-O-K-E-N

W-O-R-D-S

O-F

T-R-U-T-H

A-R-E

S-P-I-R-I-T

R-H-E-M-A-.-.-.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Again, my reference to John is that:

S-P-O-K-E-N

W-O-R-D-S

O-F

T-R-U-T-H

A-R-E

S-P-I-R-I-T

R-H-E-M-A-.-.-.

Right. But what has that got to do with whether or not Jesus is presently Spirit and not Flesh?

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. But what has that got to do with whether or not Jesus is presently Spirit and not Flesh?

It will come to you soon enough..

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

It will come to you soon enough..

Brother, Jesus spoke words that are spirit and life while he had a physical body. That proves this fact does not determine whether or not he has a physical body now. You have to explain yourself better, bro, if I am missing something. As the word made flesh, His words were spirit and life.

The bible does not say He changed from flesh to Spirit. His resurrection was with a spiritual body that was quite physical. And He left in that body and nothing in scripture says it no longer exists. We cannot take statements made about vocal words and apply them to physical flesh as though that flesh changes to be spirit as much as the vocal words were. The vocal words were quite physical, since they were vocalized. But they were still spirit at the same time since TRUTH is intangible. But that has nothing to do with flesh. He said HIS FLESH represented TRUTH in John 6. They thought he meant eat His flesh, but He meant believe His words. That is why he said what he did about his words being spirit.

[TK Burk]

Jesus sitting on a throne is symbolic, not literal. There is only One God. Therefore, there isn't a 33 ½ year old “god the son” sitting on a physical throne in the sky, while “god the spirit” indwells individuals who constitute His Church. Jesus walked the earth as a man. He died as a man. He was resurrected as a man. He ascended as a man. He came back as a quickening Spirit. Isn’t that what Jesus said He would do in John 14:17? The throne He is said to sit upon is found in His New Jerusalem, which the Bible says is His Church.

[TK Burk]

Concerning whether Jesus now has a flesh and bone body, the first five posts in THIS THREAD gives a scriptural answer.

[mfblume]

From the thread Bro Burk referenced, these thoughts show a physical resurrection.

1) The personal plural pronouns in Phil 3:20 are limited to the church, showing that the same must be held for that used in verse 21. This in turn shows that our vile body refers to the physical body of arms and legs. etc., that shall be fashioned like Jesus' body. It is not a different sort of "body" of covenant people, for example. The church is not vile nor ever has nor will be.

2) The BODY is a container in 2 Cor 5, showing that the idea of a spiritual body being not physical loses its "containing" function Paul required by his words.

3) We can be absent from the body with the Lord when we physically die, showing we have NO BODY at all in such a period -- not even spiritual.

3) Romans 8 mentions the creation groans waiting for the redemption of our bodies when sons of God are manifested.

4) Jesus is said to have experienced "dieth no more, death has no more dominion over Him," in Romans 6, indicating He has a physical body that cannot die. Otherwise, the point is moot since spirits do not die, anyway. The DIETH NO MORE must relate to what actually did die. Since we know Jesus' Spirit did not die, but only His body did, then that which DIETH NO MORE must also refer to the body that ONCE DIED.

5) Romans 6 answers the issue of death in Romans 5 that Adam brought into the world by His sin by having Jesus physically die.