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Old 07-22-2010, 07:26 PM
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Re: Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

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Well, if ya' wanna' call my simply believing what Paul said in I Tim. 2, for. ex., then call it my "own pvt. interpretaion,"....makes no difference to me! I simply believe the Bible....oughta' give it a try! Look, I've got grown-up things to do...believe what you will....I'm sticking w/ the written Word of God. Busy man.........
They aren't being LITERALLY exchanged. We still adorn ourselves smart guy. Women still brush their glory, shop for pretty clothing, groom themselves, make themselves smell good, vaseline the eyes, pinch the cheeks, look for colors that accent their eyes...

Christian women do not 'look for colors that accent their eyes' [if you're refferring to make-up, that is], since we don't paint God's temple [not that I expect you to understand that principle].

It's impossible to not adorn ourselves.

Yes, so long as it's not w/ the artificiality of worldly ornamentation....just as Paul & peter both stated!


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First what does rdp stand for? Just wandering nothing more. I want to comend you for responding to everyone that post to you I am being complimentery just so you know.

Now I have a question. Correct me if I am mistaken, it is ok to adorn ourselves as long as it is not with the artificial ornamentation of the world? That just does not compute.
Women can still brush their glory, shop for pretty clothing, groom themselves, make themselves smell good, vaseline the eyes, pinch the cheeks, look for colors that accent their eyes...

But they can't wear Gold, pearls or costly array? I think you better look at this scripture again.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

How then do you justify the price of clothes women spend and I take it you must require women to put thier hair up in a skin tight bun, anything else would be sin by your definition of this passage.

Now I don't know if you pastor or attend a church that teaches against these things. I just know I was raised where the double standards were so prevalent, women did not cut thier hair but they permed it to make it look shorter. They did not wear makeup per say but then they would do other things to make themselve look good as long as it was not worldly makeup bought in a store. They would even pluck their eye brows and any number of other things. To me this is like Christian cussing. darn instead of damm, shoot instead of s--- , frigging instead of ... well you know what I am saying. If it is sin to say one thing it is sin to say the other. What I am saying is this either you live by all of it as you preach or you understand you are not understanding what the writer is saying. Simple as that.

You keep refering to the greek on some things then you want to come back to the english when you quote "not"

1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

Again you make so much of the wearing of gold and over look the braiding of the hair and wearing apparel. Oh wait I know you have delt with the apparel, that is when you refer to the greek.

Well here is a news flash, if God is not willing to perish then he did not make his word so hard you had to be a greek scholar to understand how to be saved and stay saved.
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:20 PM
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Re: Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

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They aren't being LITERALLY exchanged. We still adorn ourselves smart guy. Women still brush their glory, shop for pretty clothing, groom themselves, make themselves smell good, vaseline the eyes, pinch the cheeks, look for colors that accent their eyes...

Christian women do not 'look for colors that accent their eyes' [if you're refferring to make-up, that is], since we don't paint God's temple [not that I expect you to understand that principle].

It's impossible to not adorn ourselves.

Yes, so long as it's not w/ the artificiality of worldly ornamentation....just as Paul & peter both stated!


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First what does rdp stand for? Just wandering nothing more. I want to comend you for responding to everyone that post to you I am being complimentery just so you know.

Now I have a question. Correct me if I am mistaken, it is ok to adorn ourselves as long as it is not with the artificial ornamentation of the world? That just does not compute.
Women can still brush their glory, shop for pretty clothing, groom themselves, make themselves smell good, vaseline the eyes, pinch the cheeks, look for colors that accent their eyes...

But they can't wear Gold, pearls or costly array? I think you better look at this scripture again.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Honestly, I can't understand for the life of me how you quote & even underline these articles, then immediately turn around & effectually say, "But it's okay to wear the articles that Paul explicity enumerated?????" Not being ugly, just can't comprehend that one iota [whatever an 'iota' is]. The difference between brushing hair & grooming themselves vs. decorative ornamentation is not even in the same ballfield....not to mention never spoken against by the apostles.

How then do you justify the price of clothes women spend and I take it you must require women to put thier hair up in a skin tight bun, anything else would be sin by your definition of this passage.

Of course I don't require that our women wear tight buns on their head! I do not put unnecessary burdens upon God's people...but where God speaks in His Word, I'm safe to do the same, as in I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3.

Now I don't know if you pastor or attend a church that teaches against these things. I just know I was raised where the double standards were so prevalent, women did not cut thier hair but they permed it to make it look shorter. They did not wear makeup per say but then they would do other things to make themselve look good as long as it was not worldly makeup bought in a store. They would even pluck their eye brows and any number of other things.

No we do not perm our hair or wear make-up. However, we do have an obligation to make the temple of God presentable/decent, yet not ornamental. Regarding plucking the eyebrows, we have no Scripture to condemn the practice as we clearly do ornamentation. Having said that, however, I have seen some Apostolic women get carried away w/ this as well....& yes, we are entirely against that also.
To me this is like Christian cussing. darn instead of damm, shoot instead of s--- , frigging instead of ... well you know what I am saying. If it is sin to say one thing it is sin to say the other. What I am saying is this either you live by all of it as you preach or you understand you are not understanding what the writer is saying. Simple as that.

Oh, I understand quite well. I'm not the one who can't seemingly comprehend the meaning of "not with gold, pearls, or costly array." Spare me the eating/talking routine pls...........

You keep refering to the greek on some things then you want to come back to the english when you quote "not"

1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

Again you make so much of the wearing of gold and over look the braiding of the hair and wearing apparel. Oh wait I know you have delt with the apparel, that is when you refer to the greek.

Ughhh, the word "not" is in the greek, which is why it's in the English! No, we do not braid our hair....the Bible says "NO," & we believe/obey the Bible.

Well here is a news flash, if God is not willing to perish then he did not make his word so hard you had to be a greek scholar to understand how to be saved and stay saved.
Yes, good point, & it's all right there in the English...."not with gold, pearls, or costly array."
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