Allow me to Think Abstractly for a Moment

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Hebrews 11
By Faith We Understand
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

We're all very familiar with this scripture.

So, with that said, why do we feel there has to be evidence or initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost?

Quite honestly: though I do not question that tongues can be a good thing, if we mean evidence as in absolute "proof" then the doctrine is faulty IMO.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Quite honestly: though I do not question that tongues can be a good thing, if we mean evidence as in absolute "proof" then the doctrine is faulty IMO.

Just evaluating the testimony of those who have spoken "in tongues" and then later renounced their faith appears to indicate that this phenomena is not something that we can trust as being "proof" of someone's salvation.

The copious "speaking in tongues" observed in "gay" churches is just another example that confounds the "evidence of salvation" or "evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost that one must experience to be accepted as 'saved'" mantra of the Three Stepper crowd.

This agenda by the "Water & Spirit" or "Three Stepper" ("Acts 2:38 or hell!!!") crowd is clearly a failed program that only leads to the need for further deceptions and lies. Consider recent events in GA, for example.

[RevDWW]

How do we know Abraham believed?

• He left his city and went looking for a city who's builder and maker was God.
• He offered up his son Issac.

Faith without action is dead.

[RevDWW]

Why would Jesus say "these signs shall follow them that beleive"?