Certainly you have enough understanding of human genetics (including the epigenetic system) to understand that some genes are "activated" at birth and others are activated later on in life. This doesn't make their existence any less natural or genetic.
Secretion of GnRH is what activates the production of the hormones that regulate puberty. Though it is secreted at different times for different people (sometimes based on genetic interactions with the environment) it is, nonetheless, a natural and genetically influenced process.
If puberty is not genetically influenced, then may I ask for your explanation for it?
There's a difference between saying something is "genetically influenced" (influenced by genes) and saying something is "genetic" (there's a specific gene that directly causes it). Whether accurate or not, for most folks when you say something is genetic, they're thinking "born with it."
Regardless, there is no direct link between a specific gene or group of genes and sexual "orientation."
I love and respect the Bible but it is NOT a scientific book. A true and honest study of God's creation can also reveal Divine Truths. Look at the history of the Church regarding Galileo's scientific theory that the sun was stationary. The Church used Scripture to claim his teachings as heresy and, as a result of his beliefs, was imprisoned by the Church.
God's word is absolute truth (people's interpretations of it can often be wrong but that doesn't negate the absolute truth of God's word). If anything contradicts God's word then it is not God's word that is wrong but that which contradicts.
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It was later proven, scientifically, that his theories were in fact true. It wasn't until 1992 (some 350 years after his death) that the Church offered an apology for their actions against Galileo.
Let's not be too quick to discount science.
I discount anything coming from humans that tries to elevate itself to the level of absolute truth or that people elevate to a level equal to or above the absolute truth of God and His word. You and nearly everyone else just automatically accepts so-called "science" as if it was absolute truth ("If science says it then it must be so"; never mind that science is in a constant state of change as one theory replaces another).
With all due respect, if this is going to become a place where gay "preachers" get to defend and promote their abominations, it is going to lose some appeal for me.
Are you saying hormones are not genetic? Certainly I am misunderstanding you. Everything about our anatomic and physiological make up is rooted in our genes.
No, hormones aren't genetically determined in the familial sense.
And no, not everything physiological is rooted in your genes, or identical twins would look exactly alike in all ways, including wrinkles, weight, and fingerprints.
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Again, these arguments of yours are flawed. You're comparing apples to oranges. An attraction to a sport (a man-made game) cannot be compared to a sexual and emotional attraction to another human being (God-made being) because NOBODY has a "natural" attraction to any sport, food, color, etc. However, humans DO have a natural attraction to other human beings. Generally, men have a natural attraction to women and, generally, women have a natural attraction to men. What group of people are born with a natural attraction to a sport and is that sport incompatible with an attraction to the "opposite sport." Your comparing my attraction to men with an attraction to football. Would you compare YOUR attraction to men/women in the same way?
My argument is flawed but you want to discuss this issue based on a hopeful 'what if'. No thanks.
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With all due respect, if this is going to become a place where gay "preachers" get to defend and promote their abominations, it is going to lose some appeal for me.
This is ridiculous and disgusting.
With all due respect, we moved it here so you would not have to bother with.
While you look at it as a place where gay preachers get to defend and promote WE look at it as a place where we get to REFUTE them. Thank you. Please ignore this thread
With all due respect, we moved it here so you would not have to bother with.
While you look at it as a place where gay preachers get to defend and promote WE look at it as a place where we get to REFUTE them. Thank you. Please ignore this thread
And, some of us pray, a place where God will speak to the heart of a man (brad) who is clearly deceived by the lies of gay theology and bring him to the place of repentance.
With all due respect, we moved it here so you would not have to bother with.
While you look at it as a place where gay preachers get to defend and promote WE look at it as a place where we get to REFUTE them. Thank you. Please ignore this thread
Prax,
Shallow dweeb that I am, I venture timidly over into the "Deep Waters" section every now and then to partake of the wisdom and enlightenment that flows like water from the Intelligentsia..
So moving it here doesn't exactly keep anybody from bumping into it. I don't know why you would think that it would.
Having said that, it will be easy enough to ignore the thread.
I simply expressed an opinion, an unpopular one it seems. We still get to do that around these here parts, don't we?
I guess I need to know if you are wearing your admin hat or your foil hat currently, so that I can adjust the verbiage accordingly.
At any rate, if these conversations are what trips your trigger, be my guest.
But keep in mind that you are talking to a man who walked away from truth for perversion and deception of the most abominable kind, and who has embraced about as wicked and depraved a heresy as hell ever concocted.
The good Apostle Paul said a heretic who didn't turn it around after the second admonition was to be rejected.
BTW, and I will try to make this my last post on this womder of a thread, you might go back and re-read Romans 1 before you get too excited about your outreach efforts here.
Unrepentant gays are almost always recruiting when they show up at church.
It may or may not be the same here, but sympathy and agreement is what they are after at the very least.
I believe the admin team needs to take a look at the policy on this if they haven't already.
If you allow this, there will be more show up, and you are going to very likely start something you don't want to have around here.
BTW, and I will try to make this my last post on this womder of a thread, you might go back and re-read Romans 1 before you get too excited about your outreach efforts here.
Unrepentant gays are almost always recruiting when they show up at church.
It may or may not be the same here, but sympathy and agreement is what they are after at the very least.
I believe the admin team needs to take a look at the policy on this if they haven't already.
If you allow this, there will be more show up, and you are going to very likely start something you don't want to have around here.
While I don't mind one being here to discuss the issue, I agree that someone should be done if his friends join up to discuss it as well.
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