The Village

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Exactly. And "churches" aside, many of us do not receive daily directives from a hierarchy of any kind.

Just sayin...

Amen!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Socialite

TD doesn't recognize baptism as essential for salvation, but rather as part of salvation (response to, not for). He baptizes in the same formula as OP's but sees baptism entirely different.

His attitude toward the godhead is not unlike many on here, who don't see it as a salvific issue, nor one that should cause disfellowship.

That's far from "OP."

He doesn't believe tongues are exclusive to the Spirit nor are essential for salvation.

He doesn't preach OP holiness standards.

Anything else that qualifies him?

OP means ONENESS PENTECOSTAL. And that is TD Jakes. Maybe you mean "O" with more letters in there to stand for the other things aside from ONENESS.

Jakes is definitely oneness.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I saw the village, though can't see any real close correlations to the OP movement. I am Oneness Pentecostal and I consider myself progressive and open minded even while being conservative.

A bit more so I can draw similarities between The Village and the OLD Order Mennonites with their rejection of much technology.

The village had a profound affect on me and I immediately made the connection with my upbringing. The games the boys played about how close they could get to the woods without stepping in was similar to "what can I get away with and still stay saved." Also the adults scaring the young people with noises coming from the woods was so profound. When I was leaving the UPC, I had an elder stateman warn me about how people who leave the UPC have terrible things happen to them or become homosexual. The world outside is portrayed as completely unsafe. It's a powerful tool to keep people from straying. It was also interesting how the village developed out of a sense of hurt and fear by members of society. I think exclusive groups attract people who have been hurt and are looking for safety. I imagine your experience is completely different because the UPC must have seemed like freedom compared to your upbringing. I think The Village is an incredible movie to look at the way "religion" binds their adherants instead of freeing them into a relationship with God. I'm glad someone wrote a thread on this one. Another movie that touches on these themes is Chocolat. I highly recommend it. Love ya man!

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The village had a profound affect on me and I immediately made the connection with my upbringing. The games the boys played about how close they could get to the woods without stepping in was similar to "what can I get away with and still stay saved." Also the adults scaring the young people with noises coming from the woods was so profound. When I was leaving the UPC, I had an elder stateman warn me about how people who leave the UPC have terrible things happen to them or become homosexual. The world outside is portrayed as completely unsafe. It's a powerful tool to keep people from straying. It was also interesting how the village developed out of a sense of hurt and fear by members of society. I think exclusive groups attract people who have been hurt and are looking for safety. I imagine your experience is completely different because the UPC must have seemed like freedom compared to your upbringing. I think The Village is an incredible movie to look at the way "religion" binds their adherants instead of freeing them into a relationship with God. I'm glad someone wrote a thread on this one. Another movie that touches on these themes is Chocolat. I highly recommend it. Love ya man!

And great observation about the games the guys played.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by mfblume

OP means ONENESS PENTECOSTAL. And that is TD Jakes. Maybe you mean "O" with more letters in there to stand for the other things aside from ONENESS.

Jakes is definitely oneness.

And this whole time I used "OP" as an abbreviation for "Old-time Pentecost."

[berkeley]

Wow. This movie had like a one thousand page thread in one of the older forums.. I think FCF???

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Berkley

Wow. This movie had like a one thousand page thread in one of the older forums.. I think FCF???

Really? Is there a link?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I think The Village is an incredible movie to look at the way "religion" binds their adherants instead of freeing them into a relationship with God. I'm glad someone wrote a thread on this one. Another movie that touches on these themes is Chocolat. I highly recommend it. Love ya man!

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Really? Is there a link?

Maybe someone can find it on an archive. The site was shut down shortly after the passing of the founder, Bro. Jim Yohe.

[DrPhil]

The most profound thing I remember about the movie was the line near the end after trying to protect themselves from the outside world. "Sorrow will find you"

It is a myth that enforcing lots of rules will make people holy and protect them from the dangers of sin. It has always been true that sin is a heart issue and external rules cannot substitute for heart transformation. It's amazing how well the Holy Spirit does at guiding our lives if we address the heart.