Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

Jason B · #1 08-07-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

Actually the New Birth is the ultimate test of salvation...tongues however happens to be a very important part of the New Birth.

so then all who have never spoken in tongues in the history of the church are lost?

Sam · #2 08-07-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

so then all who have never spoken in tongues in the history of the church are lost?

yes,

if

speaking with tongues is the initial physical evidence of the HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) and nobody has ever received the HGB unless they have spoken with tongues

and

the Holy Ghost Baptism is the birth of the Spirit.

It seems to me that would have to be a fair assessment of that doctrine.

Some of us, however, believe that there is a birth of the Spirit at repentance and the HGB is a separate experience and those who have been born of the Spirit may or may not later receive the HGB.

Hoovie · #3 08-08-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

so then all who have never spoken in tongues in the history of the church are lost?

This would be not just silly, but sad - knowing only a small minority of Christian heroes I honor and respect has practiced the speaking in tongues phenomenon.

geekette · #4 08-08-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

This would be not just silly, but sad - knowing only a small minority of Christian heroes I honor and respect has practiced the speaking in tongues phenomenon.

But there were and are people who believe it, and then would go through contortions trying to prove that their devout grandmother had spoken in tongues even though she was a staunch Methodist until the day she died (and, truth be told, would never have done anything so undignified).

Of course, that was nothing compared to the hoops people would jump through to prove that their Methodist granny was saved even though she hadn't been baptized in Jesus' Name.

BroGary · #5 08-08-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by geekette

But there were and are people who believe it, and then would go through contortions trying to prove that their devout grandmother had spoken in tongues even though she was a staunch Methodist until the day she died (and, truth be told, would never have done anything so undignified).

Of course, that was nothing compared to the hoops people would jump through to prove that their Methodist granny was saved even though she hadn't been baptized in Jesus' Name.

I understand what you are saying, and while we of course want as many people to be saved as possible, we can't just ignore doctrine as unimportant and simply say that just being sincere is enough reguardless of how you believe.

That is why it is so important to stand firm for what the Bible says is a must to be born again and share that truth with others.

BroGary · #6 08-09-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by geekette

But there were and are people who believe it, and then would go through contortions trying to prove that their devout grandmother had spoken in tongues even though she was a staunch Methodist until the day she died (and, truth be told, would never have done anything so undignified).

Of course, that was nothing compared to the hoops people would jump through to prove that their Methodist granny was saved even though she hadn't been baptized in Jesus' Name.

I know there are those who disagree that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost and they have the free will to believe as they want, but for those who do believe it is the initial evidence you probally already know at least some of this, but here is an online tract that gives some very good reasons WHY God chose tongues as the initial evidence -

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/tongues.asp

DAII · #7 08-09-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BroGary

I know there are those who disagree that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost and they have the free will to believe as they want, but for those who do believe it is the initial evidence you probally already know at least some of this, but here is an online tract that gives some very good reasons WHY God chose tongues as the initial evidence -

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/tongues.asp

God chose Jesus Christ to save me ... He is the initial evidence ... or the Word/Testimony .... that God loves me and saved me ... I place my trust and reliance wholly on Him for my salvation and new birth.

Pressing-On · #8 08-09-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BroGary

I know there are those who disagree that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost and they have the free will to believe as they want, but for those who do believe it is the initial evidence you probally already know at least some of this, but here is an online tract that gives some very good reasons WHY God chose tongues as the initial evidence -

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/tongues.asp

I believe that like the Tower of Babel, where God dispersed the people and chose one nation for His purpose, He used tongues to bring us all together again.