Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

Pressing-On · #1 08-09-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BroGary

Amen, and some may say people have had a change in their lives without speaking in tongues, but even people who start following a false religion, even Islam, can have a change in their life and stop drinking, ect., so just having a change is not evidence enough, God has a specific initial evidence that would leave no doubt. Repentence brings a change, but repentence alone will not save anyone, they must also be born of the water and the Spirit.

It is like unto when a baby is conceived and is like when the seed of the Word is germinated by faith, but the actual birth is deemed successful when you hear the initial evidence of the new born baby crying, likewise we know a new "babe in Christ" is born of the Spirit when we hear them joyfully "crying" out in tongues :-)

Excellent points!

BroGary · #2 08-09-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Excellent points!

There are sincere people who think that "just believing" alone is enough to be saved, but if they would take scripture as a whole and not just pick out the verses that focus on the believing aspect they would see that believing is simply one of the necessary things leading towards salvation, which include believing, repentence, being born of water (baptism in Jesus name), being born of the Spirit (initially evidenced by tongues), and enduring to the end staying faithful to the truth.

There are too many verses people would have to ignore to think that just believing alone was enough.

There are those who think that correct doctrine is not important as long as you are sincere, but that is not Bible.

There are those who think that people will be saved if they never heard the gospel, but that is not Bible.

We are not trying to be exclusive, we want as many to be saved as possible, but the Bible is clear that there is more to being saved than just believing or just being sincere and we should not give anyone false hope of being saved if they have only believed the gospel but have not obeyed the gospel.

Digging4Truth · #3 08-09-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BroGary

but the Bible is clear that there is more to being saved than just believing or just being sincere and we should not give anyone false hope of being saved if they have only believed the gospel but have not obeyed the gospel.

Well I am certainly not talking about anything like this.

I'm talking about someone who has repented, received the Holy Ghost at an altar and was baptized in Jesus name.

Jermyn Davidson · #4 08-09-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BroGary

There are sincere people who think that "just believing" alone is enough to be saved, but if they would take scripture as a whole and not just pick out the verses that focus on the believing aspect they would see that believing is simply one of the necessary things leading towards salvation, which include believing, repentence, being born of water (baptism in Jesus name), being born of the Spirit (initially evidenced by tongues), and enduring to the end staying faithful to the truth.

There are too many verses people would have to ignore to think that just believing alone was enough.

There are those who think that correct doctrine is not important as long as you are sincere, but that is not Bible.

There are those who think that people will be saved if they never heard the gospel, but that is not Bible.

We are not trying to be exclusive, we want as many to be saved as possible, but the Bible is clear that there is more to being saved than just believing or just being sincere and we should not give anyone false hope of being saved if they have only believed the gospel but have not obeyed the gospel.

Bro Gary,

In regards to what I have highlighted from your post, how can anyone make the argument that if a person does not speak in tongues they are not saved?

To make that argument would be to make an unbiblical argument-- an argument that does not hold water, when the Bible is taken in whole and not piecemeal.

BroGary · #5 08-09-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bro Gary,

In regards to what I have highlighted from your post, how can anyone make the argument that if a person does not speak in tongues they are not saved?

To make that argument would be to make an unbiblical argument-- an argument that does not hold water, when the Bible is taken in whole and not piecemeal.

Simple, we know that receiving the Holy Ghost is a must to be saved, along with repentence and baptism in Jesus name (being born of water and of the Spirit) and we believe that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost.

Of course those of you who don't accept tongues as being the initial evidence are not going to accept that anyhow.

Again, to clarify, "tongues" in and of itself does not save you, it is simply the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost which is necessary.

Jermyn Davidson · #6 08-09-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BroGary

Simple, we know that receiving the Holy Ghost is a must to be saved, along with repentence and baptism in Jesus name (being born of water and of the Spirit) and we believe that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost.

Of course those of you who don't accept tongues as being the initial evidence are not going to accept that anyhow.

Again, to clarify, "tongues" in and of itself does not save you, it is simply the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost which is necessary.

I used to accept this, now I don't.

If tongues does not save, then why use it as a benchmark as to whether or not a person is saved?

Furthermore, our AoG and COGIC brothers who have not been baptized in Jesus Name, who speak in tongues, do live a holy life-- are they not saved too?