New Bar at Gound Zero

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What in the world does HERE mean to you, anyway!!!

Again, show me where he insisted he was getting funds from Muslim-Americans only.

The article you linked to said he was getting funds from two separate places.

The article you linked to did not have him saying he was only getting funds from Muslim-Americans.

You are trying to read between the lines to fit your views that he is a liar who has a deceptive agenda. In reality, he did not insist funds would only be coming from Muslim-Americans.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Again, show me where he insisted he was getting funds from Muslim-Americans only.

The article you linked to said he was getting funds from two separate places.

The article you linked to did not have him saying he was only getting funds from Muslim-Americans.

You are trying to read between the lines to fit your views that he is a liar who has a deceptive agenda. In reality, he did not insist funds would only be coming from Muslim-Americans.

Oh my gosh, I typed out my post, which would have gained me an infraction, but I erased it. Go and do something productive like pick your nose, because APPARENTLY, you can't read!

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Oh my gosh, I typed out my post, which would have gained me an infraction, but I erased it. Go and do something productive like pick your nose, because APPARENTLY, you can't read!

You know, really, you could resolve this by showing us where he insisted he was only getting funds from Muslim-Americans. I mean, it wasn't in that article, but since you are getting so bent out of shape over it, you must have some type of evidence. Right?

It is simple, either the article you posted had Imam Rauf "insisting" funds would only be from Muslim-Americans or it didn't. A quick word search of the article shows the word insist is not in it.

Boom. Problem resolved. lol

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

You know, really, you could resolve this by showing us where he insisted he was only getting funds from Muslim-Americans. I mean, it wasn't in that article, but since you are getting so bent out of shape over it, you must have some type of evidence. Right?

It is simple, either the article you posted had Imam Rauf "insisting" funds would only be from Muslim-Americans or it didn't. A quick word search of the article shows the word insist is not in it.

Boom. Problem resolved. lol

Cordoba Initiative leader Imam Rauf had stated that the $4.85 million to purchase the Burlington Coat Factory came “from the community,” as if to indicate local money. Apparently, raising $100 million plus to build a 15-story mosque at Ground Zero just two blocks north of the World Trade Center requires he reach out a bit further, as a report this morning in the New York Post explains:

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has insisted the project he’s spearheading is meant to build bridges between Muslims and other religions, but so far he has not been able to cite any specific sources of funding.

But in an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, Rauf told the newspaper that funding would come from Muslims in the United States and from overseas.

“We hope to raise it from a combination of gifts from the local Muslim community and perhaps from some combination of bonds or something like that,” Rauf told WABC Radio’s Aaron Klein last week.

http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/?p=4002

[Pressing-On]

The Cordoba Initiative, which describes its objective on its website as "steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions," is led by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan. The organization lists scores of "supporters" on its home page, including 9/11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, the American Jewish Committee, the Interfaith Center of New York, St. Bartholomew's Church, and the Episcopal Diocese of New York.

The site does not specify, however, whether any of those organizations has contributed financially to the cultural center project.

The organization's website solicits donations by directing donors to a PayPal account, and does not require disclosure of identity other than payment information and an e-mail address.

"If this project were what it was represented to be, which is an exercise in building bridges and a more ecumenical kind of Islam, then there shouldn't be any shroud whatsoever over who is behind it," Andrew C. McCarthy, the former assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and author of "The Grand Jihad," tells Newsmax. "The fact that there is an obvious reluctance about saying who is behind it would lead a rational person to think it isn't what it's represented to be."

Asked who is paying for the religious facility, Jasser replied, "That's what I want to know. I don't know. Nobody knows. The organization certainly has not said that they will not take foreign funding. They have had some funding that they [have] gotten, I believe, from a Qatari foundation. So they do take foreign moneys by their previous example. But they haven't answered the question."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/grou...8/05/id/366712

This person, Jasser) does support what you have said, Twisp, about accepting funding from foreign entities (to be fair), which has been different than other articles I've read.

But, we do want transparency as to where the money is coming from. I don't believe it's legal to require it.

He still seems to be speaking out of both sides of his mouth to appease both sides by saying, "from the community" and then saying to a foreign source, "from muslim nations", so it all is a bit ambiguous.

But, he is not ambiguous here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTX_l...yer_embedded#!

Starting at 2:54

"As far as the funding, it is coming from our communities. We have members who are at various levels at many of the financial institutions and this is where our support is coming from." - Rauf

Now let's listen at 4:03:

Asks a question about where the cash came from.

"It came from our community." - Raul

"I find that very hard to believe." - Tim Brown, Former NYC Firefighter

"We have people who are very successful members of this community, of the American community, of this financial community." Rauf

Ooops, looks like he has misrepresented himself. Or better yet - Taqiyya - lied. You can do that IF you are protecting Islam.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The Cordoba Initiative, which describes its objective on its website as "steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions," is led by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan. The organization lists scores of "supporters" on its home page, including 9/11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, the American Jewish Committee, the Interfaith Center of New York, St. Bartholomew's Church, and the Episcopal Diocese of New York.

The site does not specify, however, whether any of those organizations has contributed financially to the cultural center project.

The organization's website solicits donations by directing donors to a PayPal account, and does not require disclosure of identity other than payment information and an e-mail address.

"If this project were what it was represented to be, which is an exercise in building bridges and a more ecumenical kind of Islam, then there shouldn't be any shroud whatsoever over who is behind it," Andrew C. McCarthy, the former assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and author of "The Grand Jihad," tells Newsmax. "The fact that there is an obvious reluctance about saying who is behind it would lead a rational person to think it isn't what it's represented to be."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/grou...8/05/id/366712

Thanks for the article. Another good one on this topic. Doesn't really clear up where he insisted funds were coming only from Muslim-Americans, but it was a good read.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

But, he is not ambiguous here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTX_l...yer_embedded#!

Starting at 2:54

"As far as the funding, it is coming from our communities. We have members who are at various levels at many of the financial institutions and this is where our support is coming from." - Rauf

Now let's listen at 4:03:

Asks a question about where the cash came from.

"It came from our community." - Raul

"I find that very hard to believe." - Tim Brown, Former NYC Firefighter

"We have people who are very successful members of this community, of the American community, of this financial community." Rauf

Ooops, looks like he has misrepresented himself. Or better yet - Taqiyya - lied. You can do that IF you are protecting Islam.

Originally Posted by Twisp

Thanks for that supporting article. Nowhere did he insist it was coming only from Muslim-Americans.

That article explains for you, hopefully, that he is expecting funds to come from both Muslim-Americans and from overseas.

Appreciate the further assistance in this. lol

Originally Posted by Twisp

Thanks for the article. Another good one on this topic. Doesn't really clear up where he insisted funds were coming only from Muslim-Americans, but it was a good read.

Yea, well, LOL, don't miss the above video. He isn't being truthful.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Cordoba Initiative leader Imam Rauf had stated that the $4.85 million to purchase the Burlington Coat Factory came “from the community,” as if to indicate local money. Apparently, raising $100 million plus to build a 15-story mosque at Ground Zero just two blocks north of the World Trade Center requires he reach out a bit further, as a report this morning in the New York Post explains:

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has insisted the project he’s spearheading is meant to build bridges between Muslims and other religions, but so far he has not been able to cite any specific sources of funding.

But in an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, Rauf told the newspaper that funding would come from Muslims in the United States and from overseas.

“We hope to raise it from a combination of gifts from the local Muslim community and perhaps from some combination of bonds or something like that,” Rauf told WABC Radio’s Aaron Klein last week.

http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/?p=4002

Thanks for that supporting article. Nowhere did he insist it was coming only from Muslim-Americans.

That article explains for you, hopefully, that he is expecting funds to come from both Muslim-Americans and from overseas.

Appreciate the further assistance in this. lol

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Thanks for that supporting article. Nowhere did he insist it was coming only from Muslim-Americans.

That article explains for you, hopefully, that he is expecting funds to come from both Muslim-Americans and from overseas.

Appreciate the further assistance in this. lol

When Raul stated that the $4.85 million to purchase the Burlington Coat Factory came “from the community,” he was indicating local money.

That is the impression he had been giving, BUT he can twist things with his words, which I've understood he is very good at, because "community" for him could also mean the Muslim world. He is playing both sides. In other words, his words will appease us here and they will appease the Middle East when he is speaking to them.

Hence, he can easily be interviewed, overseas, by Asharq Al-Awsat, and claim the funding would come from Muslims in the United States and from overseas.

He is, emphatic, in the YouTube clip that the money is coming from here, although, as I stated, "community" can be used both ways and very conveniently for him.