Genesis 1 gap theory - Page 4

ronharvey · #31 11-25-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by meBNme

So how and when did the earth come to be?

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

This word heaven is singular

Genesis 1:8 "And God called the firmament Heaven... "

This is NOT the creation of the earth but rather the BEGINNING of God's plan for Adam man and his fellowship with God.

The Earth already existed and appeared to have some form of population.
Humanoid maybe, but Lucifer was definitely here (Isa 14:12-17; Luke 10:18).

Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was (became) without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."

Jeremiah 4:24 "I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly."

Jeremiah 4:25 "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled."

It appears that Lucifer was on the pipeline when God was going to make man and decided he wanted to be LIKE God (Not replace God) in that he wanted worship/adoration.

God's main point throughout scripture is that NO thing, creature, or man was to receive worship; God alone was to be praised.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was (Became) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Genesis does not deal with the creation of the Universe, it deals with the beginning God's plan for man and his fellowship with him.

OldOne · #32 08-13-2010, 06:28 AM

It's amazing how a subject can bring so many ideas and theory's. There are many study point in this thread and I will probably look at the ideas several times. Thanks for some interesting thought.

I do not think that a consensus will ever be reached, but it is interesting discussing the various ideas.

Digging4Truth · #33 08-13-2010, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

The "gap theory" can put the age of the earth just about anywhere and the story of the six "days" of creation can actually be a more recent "re-creation." Some see this as a compromise with "science so-called" while others see it as a way of getting away from the "young earth" theory.

This is a view I lean more towards.

Digging4Truth · #34 08-13-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OldOne

It's amazing how a subject can bring so many ideas and theory's. There are many study point in this thread and I will probably look at the ideas several times. Thanks for some interesting thought.

I do not think that a consensus will ever be reached, but it is interesting discussing the various ideas.

A consensus will be reached when we can ask God for ourselves.

Until then I think that the very process is good for stretching the mind beyond the man made boxes that traditional religion ties us into. We have already been freed of many.

These boxes come from pressure to live up to various interpretations rather than the Word itself. I remember one time I was talking about dinosaurs with a friend and our pastor roamed by while we were talking. The pastor said "You don't believe in dinosaurs do you?". I replied... well... they kinda found the bones.

But old school thinking held as hard to interpretations (or harder) as it did to the word itself. Our interpretations must always be up for review but the Word itself never need be up for such.

OldOne · #35 08-14-2010, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

A consensus will be reached when we can ask God for ourselves.

Until then I think that the very process is good for stretching the mind beyond the man made boxes that traditional religion ties us into. We have already been freed of many.

These boxes come from pressure to live up to various interpretations rather than the Word itself. I remember one time I was talking about dinosaurs with a friend and our pastor roamed by while we were talking. The pastor said "You don't believe in dinosaurs do you?". I replied... well... they kinda found the bones.

But old school thinking held as hard to interpretations (or harder) as it did to the word itself. Our interpretations must always be up for review but the Word itself never need be up for such.

Like you, I beleive that we will understand it better by and by.

As you made mention of the dinosaur's, I have a question? Do you think that there was a dinosaur age on the earth before the creation of man or were they here on earth during time of the time of man before the flood.

RandyWayne · #36 08-14-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OldOne

Like you, I beleive that we will understand it better by and by.

As you made mention of the dinosaur's, I have a question? Do you think that there was a dinosaur age on the earth before the creation of man or were they here on earth during time of the time of man before the flood.

There are actually three main ages: The Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous periods, all three of which make up the Mesozoic era. And no, none of these were during human times.

OldOne · #37 08-14-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

There are actually three main ages: The Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous periods, all three of which make up the Mesozoic era. And no, none of these were during human times.

I agree that the Mesozoic era (as the sceintific community has named it) existed before the creation of Adam. Now I insert a scripture:

Ge 6:4
¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also
after that, when the sons of God came in unto the
daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the
same became mighty men which were of old, men of
renown.

I know that this scripture has been debated many times, but the giants mentioned in the first line, were they men or something else?

onefaith2 · #38 08-24-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Whereas I see no gap in the seventy weeks of Daniel in Daniel 9, I believe there are instances where gaps are to be understood in scripture. Perhaps Gen 1:1-2 is one of them.

Please help me narrow this down to its truth.

Genesis 1:1 says God created the heaven and earth. And verse 2 says the earth was void and without form.

When you research the Hebrew word for "without form" it is as follows:

The same word is used in Isaiah 45, translated as "in vain", and is also used in connection with the creation of earth.

So if Isaiah said God did not create the earth TOHUW, but Gen 1:2 says the earth was TOHUW, then how can we make any sense out of it other than saying a gap of time occurred after creation in Genesis 1:1 and before verse 2 when the earth was TOHUW?

The verse in Isaiah may be talking about after he had created the earth and the heavens and the sun and the moon and the stars, etc.

The Bible is silent on a "second" creation. That is why it is just a theory.

onefaith2 · #39 08-24-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OldOne

Like you, I beleive that we will understand it better by and by.

As you made mention of the dinosaur's, I have a question? Do you think that there was a dinosaur age on the earth before the creation of man or were they here on earth during time of the time of man before the flood.

If you get a copy of Creation vs. Evolution by Arlo Molenpah (sp?) I believe you will see clear evidence that man and dinosaur did coexist and are mentioned in Job as well.

onefaith2 · #40 08-24-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ronharvey

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

This word heaven is singular

Genesis 1:8 "And God called the firmament Heaven... "

This is NOT the creation of the earth but rather the BEGINNING of God's plan for Adam man and his fellowship with God.

The Earth already existed and appeared to have some form of population.
Humanoid maybe, but Lucifer was definitely here (Isa 14:12-17; Luke 10:18).

Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was (became) without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."

Jeremiah 4:24 "I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly."

Jeremiah 4:25 "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled."

It appears that Lucifer was on the pipeline when God was going to make man and decided he wanted to be LIKE God (Not replace God) in that he wanted worship/adoration.

God's main point throughout scripture is that NO thing, creature, or man was to receive worship; God alone was to be praised.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was (Became) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Genesis does not deal with the creation of the Universe, it deals with the beginning God's plan for man and his fellowship with him.

Thats an intesting theory but is not backed up by traditional understanding of the Mosaic writing.