Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

The OT was natural/physical in nature, the NT is spiritual in nature. We are not "literal" priests, but this is spoken of in a metaphorical sense. Thus, the "jewels" worn by the priests of the OT are fulfilled in NT believer's in a spiritual, not physical, sense. The very definition of typology is the study of physical phenomenon's which are inherently proleptical/anticipatory of a future event. The OT dwelling places of God prefigured its NT fulfillment in Christ, & ultimately the Ecclessia...which the glory resides WITHIN, not WITHOUT.

Oh no, he came back with the burgundy (a type of sacrifice)

Okay, then be consistent w/ the same letter, same author, same Holy Spirit, same, same, same......

Consistency is not uniformity. I would argue that I do use consistency. I'm shocked that was your response.

The NT is very much natural and spiritual. I'm not following. Where do you get this from? The Kingdom of God on Earth goal was the same for our predecessors. Do you mean, the concept of a literal Kingdom is replaced by a spiritual one? I can follow that. But make no mistake, the Kingdom we are part of is very much physical. The love we profess, is very much to be acted out in literal ways today. The abstracts that make us cry, also fuel us to act right now in the present. "Thy will be done... on earth as it is in heaven."

I'm glad you spot the metaphor in that we are priests. Of course, I could do what you did to Jeffrey, and just keep repeating that that scripture is plain and literal, and demand you not compromise from the clear and plain reading of it, afterward citing some Golden Rule of something or another But I'm glad you see it's a metaphor. In some ways, it's a reality. What does a priest do? They offer up sacrifice. They interact with God directly. That role is fulfilled in Jesus, our High Priest, and we can continue to have access today -- so we are, in many ways, "priests unto God."

As a type, the sparkle and bling of the priest garments (representative of their sacred affiliation with God's glory) are most certainly fulfilled AS A TYPE in downpayment of the Spirit. ("we hold these treasures in earthen vessels")

However, that does not negate the use of jewelry in a positive sense in the OT, nor make it's use negative because of a anagalous type. The type itself doesn't even make it negative, it showed it's fulfillment -- and continues it's positive identification.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Oh no, he came back with the burgundy (a type of sacrifice)


Consistency is not uniformity. I would argue that I do use consistency. I'm shocked that was your response.

The NT is very much natural and spiritual. I'm not following. Where do you get this from? The Kingdom of God on Earth goal was the same for our predecessors. Do you mean, the concept of a literal Kingdom is replaced by a spiritual one? I can follow that. But make no mistake, the Kingdom we are part of is very much physical. The love we profess, is very much to be acted out in literal ways today. The abstracts that make us cry, also fuel us to act right now in the present. "Thy will be done... on earth as it is in heaven."

I would agree w/ much of this, but simply add that my initial point remains. The NT is primarily a spiritual kingdom, vs. the OT which was physical [see 2 Cor. 3]. "For the kingdom of God IS NOT MEAT AND DRINK [i.e., natural things], but righteousness, peace, and joy IN THE HOLY SPIRIT [i.e., spiritual matters]." Thus, my point stands.

I'm glad you spot the metaphor in that we are priests. Of course, I could do what you did to Jeffrey, and just keep repeating that that scripture is plain and literal, and demand you not compromise from the clear and plain reading of it, afterward citing some Golden Rule of something or another But I'm glad you see it's a metaphor.

The things that were a type of Christ are fulfilled in Him. The jewels on the priests were typical of Him carrying His people on His Heart & shoulders...thus they were fulfilled in Him, much like the sabbath, PRIESTS, etc. BUT, there are also numerous Scriptures in the OT which explicitly speak against the decorative ornamentation [which wasn't the point of the priests anyway].

Thus, the attention that has been paid to the priests also need to be rendered to these verses which speak very, very negative of jewelry. Ex. 33, Is. 3, Deut. 7:25 [this is a big one that I'd like to see dealt w/, primarily the plural pronouns "their" & "them"].

In some ways, it's a reality. What does a priest do? They offer up sacrifice. They interact with God directly. That role is fulfilled in Jesus, our High Priest, and we can continue to have access today -- so we are, in many ways, "priests unto God."

As a type, the sparkle and bling of the priest garments (representative of their sacred affiliation with God's glory) are most certainly fulfilled AS A TYPE in downpayment of the Spirit. ("we hold these treasures in earthen vessels")

Do you not see this? "We have this TREASURE I-N earthen vessels." Not OUTSIDE, but INSIDE as I've been saying all along.

However, that does not negate the use of jewelry in a positive sense in the OT, nor make it's use negative because of a anagalous type. The type itself doesn't even make it negative, it showed it's fulfillment -- and continues it's positive identification.

Then so does Polygamy. If you appeal to the NT for amendment on this issue, then that's the same thing we do w/ I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3. "not the wearing of gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel."

I do appreciate your spirit though [along w/ Sam's], it's a refreshing thing w/ this bunch!