Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by acerrak

thou a wedding ring or rings in general may have a pagen origin, it does not mean they are pagen today. Just because something was used in a way 3000 years ago doesnt mean it is applicable today.

I.e. 50 years ago if i said i was gay it would mean i was happy, but today if i use this expression it means i sleep with the same sex. so thus we dont use the term to explain happiness.

also if we consider rings pagen, then we put Christ in a place were He is using a pagen atribute to describe the Love of the lost son comming Home. luke 15:22

a wedding ring is not what weds a couple together but it is a symbol or a covenant symbol between you and your wife and not just a symbol but also to show that you are married. there is absolutly nothing wrong with a wedding ring.

So past symbols of idolatry or satanism are acceptable for christian use?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So past symbols of idolatry or satanism are acceptable for christian use?

Luke 15:22 (King James Version)

22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:


surely your not trying to state that our Lord here is showing a example of paganism with the ring. i would hope not.

or maybe we can look at rings in Job which was a gift from His so called buddies, or the nose ring rebecka recieved for a gift. are any of these acts of idolatry or satanic in any way?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Luke 15:22 (King James Version)

22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:


surely your not trying to state that our Lord here is showing a example of paganism with the ring. i would hope not.

or maybe we can look at rings in Job which was a gift from His so called buddies, or the nose ring rebecka recieved for a gift. are any of these acts of idolatry or satanic in any way?

I didn't say all rings, but wedding rings came for paganism.


Many churches consider themselves against jewelry, but if they have wedding rings/watches they are not against jewelry.

Some say it's just to say they are married, but have a huge one with diamonds you can see across the room. obviously more then showing they are married.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I didn't say all rings, but wedding rings came for paganism.


Many churches consider themselves against jewelry, but if they have wedding rings/watches they are not against jewelry.

Some say it's just to say they are married, but have a huge one with diamonds you can see across the room. obviously more then showing they are married.

What meaning and value do they have today?

If the color green used to be used for occult but today shares nothing about that representation or value statement, then why wouldn't you wear it?

Our culture today finds wedding bands to be symbolic of marriage -- a very noble thing today.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

What meaning and value do they have today?

If the color green used to be used for occult but today shares nothing about that representation or value statement, then why wouldn't you wear it?

Our culture today finds wedding bands to be symbolic of marriage -- a very noble thing today.

Pagans using color is not the same as creating a ring specifically for pagan reasons. Now whether it looses it'sm pagan intent being acceptable for christian wear is the issue.

How far removed form pagan intent can christians partake of a pagan custom? At what point is it deemed acceptable? 1 year out, 2yr, 10yrs, 100yrs etc....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Pagans using color is not the same as creating a ring specifically for pagan reasons. Now whether it looses it'sm pagan intent being acceptable for christian wear is the issue.

How far removed form pagan intent can christians partake of a pagan custom? At what point is it deemed acceptable? 1 year out, 2yr, 10yrs, 100yrs etc....

Why...didn't you know that the length of time "sanctifies" an issue in the eyes of God...who doesn't even dwell in the confines of time !!!

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Pagans using color is not the same as creating a ring specifically for pagan reasons. Now whether it looses it'sm pagan intent being acceptable for christian wear is the issue.

How far removed form pagan intent can christians partake of a pagan custom? At what point is it deemed acceptable? 1 year out, 2yr, 10yrs, 100yrs etc....

The principle is absolutely the same. Symbols have meaning. When I wear, or anyone wears, a wedding band today, does it have some pagan meaning? No. The symbol and meaning has changed.

I'll let you figure out that question. It doesn't keep me up at night.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

What meaning and value do they have today?

If the color green used to be used for occult but today shares nothing about that representation or value statement, then why wouldn't you wear it?

Our culture today finds wedding bands to be symbolic of marriage -- a very noble thing today.

Much of our "culture" also finds same-sex marriage "noble." What will ye do w/ this...since you're appealing to modern culture over & against the Bible [I Tim. 2:9, I Ptr. 3:3]? Wedding rings violate the plain written Bible & I, for one [as well as many others I know], refuse to pastor a church full of them.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

Much of our "culture" also finds same-sex marriage "noble." What will ye do w/ this...since you're appealing to modern culture over & against the Bible [I Tim. 2:9, I Ptr. 3:3]? Wedding rings violate the plain written Bible & I, for one [as well as many others I know], refuse to pastor a church full of them.

Cultural symbols such as fashion, food, clothing, etc are much different than morality-based concepts that have an abundance of unison agreement since the beginning of time. Not to mention we are talking behaviors versus abstract objects.

Homosexuality is not a symbol nor defined symbolically. It may be more out in the open today than in the past couple hundred years, but homosexuality is homosexuality and always has been homosexuality. In fact, there were other times periods where it was even more predominant, though still sharing social stigmatism. I'm not a cultural relativists -- though I admit there is a part cultural relativism plays in defining non-essential matters.

Wearing the color for a Russian less than 100 years ago was unthinkable unless you were part of the Communist Party. The color today does not have such symbols associated with it. There is nothing intrinsically or morally wrong with the color red.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Cultural symbols such as fashion, food, clothing, etc are much different than morality-based concepts that have an abundance of unison agreement since the beginning of time. Not to mention we are talking behaviors versus abstract objects.

Homosexuality is not a symbol nor defined symbolically. It may be more out in the open today than in the past couple hundred years, but homosexuality is homosexuality and always has been homosexuality. In fact, there were other times periods where it was even more predominant, though still sharing social stigmatism. I'm not a cultural relativists -- though I admit there is a part cultural relativism plays in defining non-essential matters.

Wearing the color for a Russian less than 100 years ago was unthinkable unless you were part of the Communist Party. The color today does not have such symbols associated with it. There is nothing intrinsically or morally wrong with the color red.

I would disagree that the wearing of decorative ornaments is not a "bahaviour." If I deck out in jewels from head to toe, fine linens, etc....is this not "behaviour"? Of course it is.

Much more to say, but gotta' run......