Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I didn't say all rings, but wedding rings came for paganism.


Many churches consider themselves against jewelry, but if they have wedding rings/watches they are not against jewelry.

Some say it's just to say they are married, but have a huge one with diamonds you can see across the room. obviously more then showing they are married.

What meaning and value do they have today?

If the color green used to be used for occult but today shares nothing about that representation or value statement, then why wouldn't you wear it?

Our culture today finds wedding bands to be symbolic of marriage -- a very noble thing today.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

What meaning and value do they have today?

If the color green used to be used for occult but today shares nothing about that representation or value statement, then why wouldn't you wear it?

Our culture today finds wedding bands to be symbolic of marriage -- a very noble thing today.

Pagans using color is not the same as creating a ring specifically for pagan reasons. Now whether it looses it'sm pagan intent being acceptable for christian wear is the issue.

How far removed form pagan intent can christians partake of a pagan custom? At what point is it deemed acceptable? 1 year out, 2yr, 10yrs, 100yrs etc....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Pagans using color is not the same as creating a ring specifically for pagan reasons. Now whether it looses it'sm pagan intent being acceptable for christian wear is the issue.

How far removed form pagan intent can christians partake of a pagan custom? At what point is it deemed acceptable? 1 year out, 2yr, 10yrs, 100yrs etc....

Why...didn't you know that the length of time "sanctifies" an issue in the eyes of God...who doesn't even dwell in the confines of time !!!

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Pagans using color is not the same as creating a ring specifically for pagan reasons. Now whether it looses it'sm pagan intent being acceptable for christian wear is the issue.

How far removed form pagan intent can christians partake of a pagan custom? At what point is it deemed acceptable? 1 year out, 2yr, 10yrs, 100yrs etc....

The principle is absolutely the same. Symbols have meaning. When I wear, or anyone wears, a wedding band today, does it have some pagan meaning? No. The symbol and meaning has changed.

I'll let you figure out that question. It doesn't keep me up at night.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

What meaning and value do they have today?

If the color green used to be used for occult but today shares nothing about that representation or value statement, then why wouldn't you wear it?

Our culture today finds wedding bands to be symbolic of marriage -- a very noble thing today.

Much of our "culture" also finds same-sex marriage "noble." What will ye do w/ this...since you're appealing to modern culture over & against the Bible [I Tim. 2:9, I Ptr. 3:3]? Wedding rings violate the plain written Bible & I, for one [as well as many others I know], refuse to pastor a church full of them.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

Much of our "culture" also finds same-sex marriage "noble." What will ye do w/ this...since you're appealing to modern culture over & against the Bible [I Tim. 2:9, I Ptr. 3:3]? Wedding rings violate the plain written Bible & I, for one [as well as many others I know], refuse to pastor a church full of them.

Cultural symbols such as fashion, food, clothing, etc are much different than morality-based concepts that have an abundance of unison agreement since the beginning of time. Not to mention we are talking behaviors versus abstract objects.

Homosexuality is not a symbol nor defined symbolically. It may be more out in the open today than in the past couple hundred years, but homosexuality is homosexuality and always has been homosexuality. In fact, there were other times periods where it was even more predominant, though still sharing social stigmatism. I'm not a cultural relativists -- though I admit there is a part cultural relativism plays in defining non-essential matters.

Wearing the color for a Russian less than 100 years ago was unthinkable unless you were part of the Communist Party. The color today does not have such symbols associated with it. There is nothing intrinsically or morally wrong with the color red.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Cultural symbols such as fashion, food, clothing, etc are much different than morality-based concepts that have an abundance of unison agreement since the beginning of time. Not to mention we are talking behaviors versus abstract objects.

Homosexuality is not a symbol nor defined symbolically. It may be more out in the open today than in the past couple hundred years, but homosexuality is homosexuality and always has been homosexuality. In fact, there were other times periods where it was even more predominant, though still sharing social stigmatism. I'm not a cultural relativists -- though I admit there is a part cultural relativism plays in defining non-essential matters.

Wearing the color for a Russian less than 100 years ago was unthinkable unless you were part of the Communist Party. The color today does not have such symbols associated with it. There is nothing intrinsically or morally wrong with the color red.

I would disagree that the wearing of decorative ornaments is not a "bahaviour." If I deck out in jewels from head to toe, fine linens, etc....is this not "behaviour"? Of course it is.

Much more to say, but gotta' run......

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

I would disagree that the wearing of decorative ornaments is not a "bahaviour." If I deck out in jewels from head to toe, fine linens, etc....is this not "behaviour"? Of course it is.

Much more to say, but gotta' run......

Definitely disagree with you.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Definitely disagree with you.

Definitely agree with you here !