Mohammed wasn't a good man, Hubal isn't our God

[Praxeas]

What is Hubal?

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What is Hubal?

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.

That creates 2 problems. Mohammad put all kinds of wickedness as a curse on any one that tampered with his manifesto. If Muslims follow the corrupted version where this is taken out, Mohammad says they must be cursed,

Sura 3. 61 translated by Shakir
"But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars."

There are seven Qurans.
http://www.thespiritofislam.com/text/Q11.html

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.

Ok, but consider that Allah is also the Arabic word for "God", just as Elohim is for God in our bible. Elohim derives from the heathenistic semitic cultures that Abraham lived in before he was called to follow The one True Elohim.

Yes I understand and know about pre-islamic religion. In fact they were into goddess worship as well (you can see this in the Kaaba too), but supposedly Muhammed denouced all that to follow the One true Allah or God. The same God as the Jews, though the Jews were misguided in their view.

Im not an apologist for Muhammed or the Koran but I don't think it's a great argument that the they worshipped the Moon god before Muhammed supposedly got his revelations

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok, but consider that Allah is also the Arabic word for "God", just as Elohim is for God in our bible. Elohim derives from the heathenistic semitic cultures that Abraham lived in before he was called to follow The one True Elohim.
Yes I understand and know about pre-islamic religion. In fact they were into goddess worship as well (you can see this in the Kaaba too), but supposedly Muhammed denouced all that to follow the One true Allah or God. The same God as the Jews, though the Jews were misguided in their view.

Im not an apologist for Muhammed or the Koran but I don't think it's a great argument that the they worshipped the Moon god before Muhammed supposedly got his revelations

My Uncle ran a school and mission for Arabic Muslims since the 50's. In africa, the Muslims remain in saying the god of Abraham was their god. Then immediately they claim that this god never spoke to Abraham and said "God will provide Himself a sacrifice not do they admit the call to offer Isaac.

(2) The Quran never said that God told Abraham to kill (sacrifice) his son. Instead, the Quran teaches us that Abraham had a dream in which he saw himself slaughtering his son. Abraham believed the dream and thought that the dream was from God (The Quran never said the dream was from God). The choice of the wording in the Quran is crucial. No word was chosen by accident or out of control. Every word and expression was deliberately chosen by God.

(5)

Because Abraham thought the dream was from God and he proceeded to sacrifice his son Ismail, God sent him the lamb to be sacrificed instead, and to save the son, and the father-son sacred relationship

The Quran's account

[37:102] When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."
[37:103] They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).
[37:104] We called him: "O Abraham.
[37:105] "You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.
[37:106] That was an exacting test indeed.
[37:107] We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.
[37:108] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.
[37:109] Peace be upon Abraham.
[37:110] We thus reward the righteous.
[37:111] He is one of our believing servants.
Bible

Take now thy son, thy only [son] Isaac