Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

TGBTG · #1 08-30-2010, 11:55 AM

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So, God "blessed" them w/ a "stomacher" & "well set hair"????????? You guys just never can see how ridiculous you sound. Amazing the lengths & theological leap-frogs people will go to in order to render the Word of God of no effect! Why not make it easy on your self & simply believe the NT instructions: "not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparell."???? Talk about "reading"!?!?!?!?

If you think you are right, do you believe that jewelry users are going to hell?
If you think they are hell-bound, why don't you pray for them that God will show them the right way?

rdp · #2 08-30-2010, 12:52 PM

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If you think you are right, do you believe that jewelry users are going to hell?

God will be the Judge in eternity...not me. But, Rev. teaches us that we'll be judged by the "bib-los" [Bible]....including I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3. Eternity is God's business, not mine. I do believe that we'll ALL need the Mercies of God on that day, but that doesn't mean that I'm not to teach what the Scriptures clearly say. Besides, most of the messages that I preach are encouraging in nature, though there are certainly times to be firm....depending on people's spirit.

If you think they are hell-bound, why don't you pray for them that God will show them the right way?

Why do you assume your points, then launch an attack from them? I doooo pray for them! But, as Abraham told the rich man in hell, "they have Moses and the prophets [i.e., Word of God]......".

TGBTG · #3 08-30-2010, 12:58 PM

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Why do you assume your points, then launch an attack from them? I doooo pray for them! But, as Abraham told the rich man in hell, "they have Moses and the prophets [i.e., Word of God]......".

Ok, so maybe I did not word that very well. I just meant that since the jewelry users do not see it as you do, the only thing left you can do is pray for them.

TGBTG · #4 08-30-2010, 01:00 PM

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God will be the Judge in eternity...not me. But, Rev. teaches us that we'll be judged by the "bib-los" [Bible]....including I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3. Eternity is God's business, not mine. I do believe that we'll ALL need the Mercies of God on that day, but that doesn't mean that I'm not to teach what the Scriptures clearly say. Besides, most of the messages that I preach are encouraging in nature, though there are certainly times to be firm....depending on people's spirit.

What I'm getting from this post is that you are not sure it is an heaven/hell issue, am I right?

rdp · #5 08-30-2010, 01:11 PM

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What I'm getting from this post is that you are not sure it is an heaven/hell issue, am I right?

I will say it like this: I do not think one can go the lengths that we've seen in this thread to make the plain written Word of God of no effect & be in right standing w/ God. However, we ALL have shortcomings somewhere or another & garner the frown of God at times.

I am aware that because of my present fallen nature, my judgements can be clouded [which is why the Bible says we "SHALL (when we no longer have fallen natures) judge angels"].

So, in scholastical humilty, I reserve the possibility w/in myself that I can somehow be wrong. Though, honestly, I don't see how in the world one cannot understand the plainness of I Tim. 2:12. I would say that the safest route is to obey the Bible & encourage others to do the same...leaving eternity in God's Hands.

onefaith2 · #6 08-30-2010, 01:20 PM

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I will say it like this: I do not think one can go the lengths that we've seen in this thread to make the plain written Word of God of no effect & be in right standing w/ God. However, we ALL have shortcomings somewhere or another & garner the frown of God at times.

I am aware that because of my present fallen nature, my judgements can be clouded [which is why the Bible says we "SHALL (when we no longer have fallen natures) judge angels"].

So, in scholastical humilty, I reserve the possibility w/in myself that I can somehow be wrong. Though, honestly, I don't see how in the world one cannot understand the plainness of I Tim. 2:12. I would say that the safest route is to obey the Bible & encourage others to do the same...leaving eternity in God's Hands.

A very well written response and in a good spirit. Can you tell the difference here? I surely can!

TGBTG · #7 08-30-2010, 01:46 PM

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I will say it like this: I do not think one can go the lengths that we've seen in this thread to make the plain written Word of God of no effect & be in right standing w/ God. However, we ALL have shortcomings somewhere or another & garner the frown of God at times.

I am aware that because of my present fallen nature, my judgements can be clouded [which is why the Bible says we "SHALL (when we no longer have fallen natures) judge angels"].

So, in scholastical humilty, I reserve the possibility w/in myself that I can somehow be wrong. Though, honestly, I don't see how in the world one cannot understand the plainness of I Tim. 2:12.

Based on this response, you are not sure yourself. Although you claim to see the plainness of 1 Tim 2:12, you still are not sure?

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I would say that the safest route is to obey the Bible & encourage others to do the same...leaving eternity in God's Hands.

Are you sure about John 14:6? Would you tell a muslim the "safest route" is the bible or would you tell the muslim he is going to hell unless he turns to Jesus Christ for salvation?

I'm not trying to be rash with my questions. I'm just trying to point out that we should be sure of what we believe if we are going to tell others they are wrong in their belief. If we are not sure of what we believe, the we should NOT tell others they are wrong.

For instance, I know beyond every shadow of doubt that anyone that rejects the gospel of Jesus Christ is absolutely lost. Therefore I can evangelize with 100% assurance to anyone I meet. However, if I'm not sure of salvation in Jesus alone, then I cannot tell a muslim in clear conscience that he is going to hell.

My point being, if we are not sure, then do not preach it. How can we preach what we are not sure about?

onefaith2 · #8 08-30-2010, 02:10 PM

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Based on this response, you are not sure yourself. Although you claim to see the plainness of 1 Tim 2:12, you still are not sure?

Are you sure about John 14:6? Would you tell a muslim the "safest route" is the bible or would you tell the muslim he is going to hell unless he turns to Jesus Christ for salvation?

I'm not trying to be rash with my questions. I'm just trying to point out that we should be sure of what we believe if we are going to tell others they are wrong in their belief. If we are not sure of what we believe, the we should NOT tell others they are wrong.

For instance, I know beyond every shadow of doubt that anyone that rejects the gospel of Jesus Christ is absolutely lost. Therefore I can evangelize with 100% assurance to anyone I meet. However, if I'm not sure of salvation in Jesus alone, then I cannot tell a muslim in clear conscience that he is going to hell.

My point being, if we are not sure, then do not preach it. How can we preach what we are not sure about?

Not a fair comparison here. The wearing or not wearing of jewelry would deal with pleasing God, the other deals with eternal damnation without God at all.

To me and I'm sure RDP there is a BIG difference

Sam · #9 08-30-2010, 03:34 PM

There is some good teaching on
http://www.actseighteen.com/
about some of this stuff.

rdp · #10 08-31-2010, 12:50 PM

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Based on this response, you are not sure yourself. Although you claim to see the plainness of 1 Tim 2:12, you still are not sure?

Again, you attack based off of your presuppositons. I am ABSOLUTELY sure that God frowns on ornamental Jewelry being worn on His people...make no mistake about it. In fact, if you reread, I questioned the standing of those who would try to make the Word of no effect. Not sure how you arrive at such a spurious conclusion based upon 85 pages of polemics!?

"There is a sin unto death, and a sin NOT unto death....." [I Jn.]. I stated that I have a fallen nature & thus am not presently qulified to judge eternity. Comparing those who reject Jesus as a whole w/ those who see a Scripture differently [don't ask me how?] is an equivocation fallacy on your part.

But, YES, I question their salvation...good 'nuff?

Are you sure about John 14:6? Would you tell a muslim the "safest route" is the bible or would you tell the muslim he is going to hell unless he turns to Jesus Christ for salvation?

I'm not trying to be rash with my questions. I'm just trying to point out that we should be sure of what we believe if we are going to tell others they are wrong in their belief. If we are not sure of what we believe, the we should NOT tell others they are wrong.

For instance, I know beyond every shadow of doubt that anyone that rejects the gospel of Jesus Christ is absolutely lost. Therefore I can evangelize with 100% assurance to anyone I meet. However, if I'm not sure of salvation in Jesus alone, then I cannot tell a muslim in clear conscience that he is going to hell.

Okay then, what about your own disobediences...which we all have at times? Are you going to hell for your violations? What I will say is that I hope they do not die in their rebellion to God's Word.

My point being, if we are not sure, then do not preach it. How can we preach what we are not sure about?

I AM sure of what the Bible says....not sure if God will condemn them to hell forever for their disobedience. Though they are certainly skating on thin ice by rejecting His Written Word.