John MacArthur: POLYTHEIST?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by pelathais

MacArthur is (was!) recorded in a video with text here:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

This is the from the Google cache of a conference where he was apparently a keynote speaker. Here he says, "Sovereign election has already determined who will constitute the redeemed church. That was determined in the counsels of the Trinity before time began."

It is a common term used quite a bit by Evangelicals and others:

The Archbishop of Canterbury:
http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1968

Wayne Gruden (a popular writer and theologian):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

J.C. Ryle (Victorian Era Bishop of Liverpool whose books are still popular):
http://rediscoveringthebible.com/Ryle14vv12-17.pdf

Sovereign election has already been determined. It has determined who will be saved and constitute the regenerate church. That was done in the councils of the Trinity before time began.

source: http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons...rowth+movement

Pel, I understand where your coming from. John MacArthurs website has the text of the sermon above using the term "councils". I don't really care which he meant, but my mai point was that trinitarians DO certainly at least speak of God in a way that lends itself towards the tritheism they so vehemently deny they believe. I've already mentioned my respect for John MacArthur, so this thread wasn't an attack at him.

However, in the creation thread you were really take hard digs at me over this, when in reality it seems at least plausible, if not probable that I understood exactly what he said. I guess all I'm asking is quit using my response to his comments in an effort to undermine my credibility, especially in light that his official website text of the sermon has the exact tem that I thought I heard him use.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Sovereign election has already been determined. It has determined who will be saved and constitute the regenerate church. That was done in the councils of the Trinity before time began.

source: http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons...rowth+movement

Pel, I understand where your coming from. John MacArthurs website has the text of the sermon above using the term "councils". I don't really care which he meant, but my mai point was that trinitarians DO certainly at least speak of God in a way that lends itself towards the tritheism they so vehemently deny they believe. I've already mentioned my respect for John MacArthur, so this thread wasn't an attack at him.

However, in the creation thread you were really take hard digs at me over this, when in reality it seems at least plausible, if not probable that I understood exactly what he said. I guess all I'm asking is quit using my response to his comments in an effort to undermine my credibility, especially in light that his official website text of the sermon has the exact tem that I thought I heard him use.

Thanks Jason, however, since this phrase is so ubiquitous and even Biblical ("counsel"), and the fact that other texts of MacArthur's same use of the phrase has it as "counsel" (see my post above), I have taken the trouble to bring this matter up with his webmaster(s) - (see attached).

This might be interesting. Who knows?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Thanks Jason, however, since this phrase is so ubiquitous and even Biblical ("counsel"), and the fact that other texts of MacArthur's same use of the phrase has it as "counsel" (see my post above), I have taken the trouble to bring this matter up with his webmaster(s) - (see attached).

This might be interesting. Who knows?

One of these days I've got to learn that capture screen trick.

Yeah, maybe they will correct it OR maybe not. It could be interesting. he certainly makes some doozie comments about the trinity. The post I just made was before I saw your reply, but its an example of some of the things he says.

PS-I'm glad you chilled out a bit, you've been somewhat moody here lately.