Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

rdp · #1 08-31-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

I never said wearing jewelry is a sin. rdp implied from his (or her) posts that wearing jewelry is a sin, but then he admitted that he was not even sure about jewelry usage being a sin. So my point is/was how can you say jewelry usage is displeasing to God if you are not even sure about it yourself?

As per pleasing God:
is 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags...

Why would we even try to please God with our works as if that would make us get into heaven? Muslims are also trying to please God with their rituals, but it ain't gonna get them into heaven.

The only way to please God:
Acts 20:21 Paul was testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Luke 7:50 And he (Jesus) said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

"He has become the author of eternal salvation to those that O-B-E-Y Him." [He. 5]. You're as wrong as you can possibly be that our actions do not please God.

And, I will say again, YES, I believe that "saints" who wear jewelry are in rebellion against God's Word. What He's gonna' do about that is His business. What in the world can you not understand about this?

TGBTG · #2 08-31-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

"He has become the author of eternal salvation to those that O-B-E-Y Him."

The problem is those that use jewelry read the very same scriptures you cite (1 Tim 2:12 and 1 Peter 3:3) and come up with something different than you. To them, they are obeying God. To you, they are in rebellion.

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Originally Posted by rdp

[He. 5]. You're as wrong as you can possibly be that our actions do not please God.

Our actions should be pleasing to God, no doubt about that. We please God by Faith in Him, but Faith without works is dead, so our works definitely prove our faith.

Truthseeker · #3 08-31-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

"He has become the author of eternal salvation to those that O-B-E-Y Him." [He. 5]. You're as wrong as you can possibly be that our actions do not please God.

Haven't heard many from the faith alone crowd address that scripture?

onefaith2 · #4 08-31-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Haven't heard many from the faith alone crowd address that scripture?

The faith alone crowd have said to me that all that is commanded is to believe

rdp · #5 08-31-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

The faith alone crowd have said to me that all that is commanded is to believe

Which would negate repentance...which the Bible calls "works" [Acts 20:16...I think that's the verse?].

At this point the "reformed" camp usually responds by saying: "Yes, but repentance is granted us by God." Well, so is water baptism in Jesus' Name, but, as w/ repentance, we can either reject or obey these biblical commands.

rdp · #6 08-31-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Haven't heard many from the faith alone crowd address that scripture?

Exactly...they usually have to go to great lenghts to make it fit their "reformed" theology.

Godsdrummer · #7 09-01-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Haven't heard many from the faith alone crowd address that scripture?

Don't need to address this scripture it speaks for its self.

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

He (Jesus) was made perfect so that he became the author of eternal salvation.

We aready know this.

Oh you want to address the "unto all them that obey him" That is even easier we do obey him, the problem is what we see as the commandments of God and when they apply and what you see the commandments of God as.

I will say this though any time a group of people dictate to thier constituants how to live or not to live, that is in my mind defined as a cult. although what you are driving home are teachings of a nature that will not cause a person to break the law or sin you are just a thread from becoming a cult. Is it any wonder so many people are duped into cults like David Karesh ran his followers thought they were obeying the bible.

Maybe this is why the word say we are not to add to or take away from the teachings of said word. Or all the plagues will be place on our head.

Let me point out something, all the bickering back and forth on the passages in question, in Timothy and Peter, they say nothing about "jewlery" this is a word of your own definition. To some to wear a ring is not adorning the differance is you are adding your own definition of Gold and adorning and placing it on others and this is against the word of God. One in adding to the word of God and two telling a brother or sister what they are to see as sin.

I find it funny how some can pick and choose what they want to beleive and then push it on others. I don't see them obeying the the command to keep the Sabbath day and this is more of a command than they are making about thier pet peave of outward holiness. Tell me is the sabbath a commandment or not and tell me where did Jesus not keep the sabbath and where did he take away the keeping of the Sabbath? If any thing you are on your way to hell for not keeping the sabbath.

JN Anderson · #8 09-02-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rdp

"He has become the author of eternal salvation to those that O-B-E-Y Him." [He. 5]. You're as wrong as you can possibly be that our actions do not please God.

And, I will say again, YES, I believe that "saints" who wear jewelry are in rebellion against God's Word. What He's gonna' do about that is His business. What in the world can you not understand about this?

rdp, which particular verse would you cite to say that the Scriptures are completely/absolutely against the wearing of any or all forms of jewelry?

rdp · #9 09-07-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JN Anderson

rdp, which particular verse would you cite to say that the Scriptures are completely/absolutely against the wearing of any or all forms of jewelry?

I Tim. 2:9-12, I Ptr. 3:3, Deut. 7:25, Ex. 33, Is. 3...for starters. Not sure if you've read most of this thread or not, but we've discussed these verses at length already.

BTW, if you disagree [not sure], what Scriptures would you cite that allow for ornamental decoration?

Jeffrey · #10 09-07-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rdp

I Tim. 2:9-12, I Ptr. 3:3, Deut. 7:25, Ex. 33, Is. 3...for starters. Not sure if you've read most of this thread or not, but we've discussed these verses at length already.

BTW, if you disagree [not sure], what Scriptures would you cite that allow for ornamental decoration?

That's an interesting list lol

Why in the world would you need scriptures to SUPPORT doing something? Are you telling me if I can't find a scripture that explicitly ALLOWS me to brush my teeth that I can't brush my teeth? Ludicrous argument. If you feel there is a specific prohibition, that's something different and that's what we've spent the majority of our time arguing -- as well as pointed to the favorable and positive uses of jewelry in Scripture.