This is THE Church!

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

This is the type of theology I am against. If the shoes doesn't fit, don't wear it.....if it does.......?


"A popular Christian magazine recently published an article arguing that Jesus' Lordship is an inappropriate topic to bring up in the course of witnessing to the lost. It is inappropriate to talk of the Lordship of Christ...said the magazine. This is a magazine very, very well known. It said, and I'm quoting from the magazine, "Since the decision to make Christ Lord is possible only for those who have already trusted Him as Savior, the gospel presentation should not contain anything about yielding in submission to Christ as Lord to be obeyed," end quote. "The gospel presentation should not contain anything about yielding in submission to Christ as Lord," said the magazine. You don't even want to talk about that.

I watched a film this afternoon for the second time, I watched it a day ago because the first time I watched it I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was sent out to our church. It was sent to me because it was to be distributed all across this entire country to every church that had an AWANA program. It was a film designed to instruct people how to lead someone to Christ.

The film used some graphics, posed some questions and then asked if they were true or false. Let me tell you what some of the questions were and what the answer was.

In presenting the gospel, the narrator of the film said, should you ever ask these questions? Here are the questions. Question number one: Should you say to someone, will you give your heart to Christ? Answer: False, you never want to say that to anyone. You never want to ask anyone to give anything to Christ. You don't want to ask them to give their life to Christ, you just ask them to believe.

Second question: Will you surrender your life to Christ? False, don't ever ask anyone to surrender anything.

Question number three: will you commit your life to Christ? False, don't ever ask anyone to do that.

Question number four: will you make Christ Lord of your life? Don't ever ask anyone to acknowledge that He has to be Lord of their life.

Question number five: will you repent of your sins? False, don't ever ask anyone to repent of their sins.

Question number six: are you willing to forsake your sins? False, don't ask anyone to do that." END QUOTE

source: http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons...ship+Salvation

None of this stuff is "Seeker" Jason. I keep trying to tell you this and you're not listening. AWANA is a million miles from "Seeker". Goodness.

What magazine are you talking about?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

None of this stuff is "Seeker" Jason. I keep trying to tell you this and you're not listening. AWANA is a million miles from "Seeker". Goodness.

What magazine are you talking about?

Its not my quote......

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Its not my quote......

I understand that but you said it in response to my complaint about your "Seeker-bashing."

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

None of this stuff is "Seeker" Jason. I keep trying to tell you this and you're not listening. AWANA is a million miles from "Seeker". Goodness.

What magazine are you talking about?

In doing some reaserch I was suprised to find that there is a doctrine called "Lordship Salvation" I was pretty suprised, because that is the position had arrived at from a three stepper to one who believes in salvation by grace by justification by faith. I guess that is why I like John MacArthurs stuff so much, he is a propent of said doctrine.

Anyway, when I found that doctrine actually ahd a name, I googled it, and was reading on Wiki about the criticism over that doctrine, and that there was another school of thought called "Free Grace" promoted by Hybels, Warrer, et al.

If Free Grace is what I have heard it to be, that would explain our fundamental difference.