Salvation Message

Mr. Smith · #1 09-14-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonupci

Well, you won't ever have to hear me preach, as I'm not a preacher. Just a person seeking the truth, as I would hope you are. Your arrogance is very annoying to me.

And your thin-skinned judgmentalism is annoying me so I guess we're even. Look, I just said I wouldn't wanna hear you preach if all you talked about was the three-steps. And I also said your version of the 3-steps isn't the "Plan of salvation." Do you disagree? Let's try dialoging rather than judging....if you're able.

houstonupci · #2 09-14-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

And your thin-skinned judgmentalism is annoying me so I guess we're even. Look, I just said I wouldn't wanna hear you preach if all you talked about was the three-steps. And I also said your version of the 3-steps isn't the "Plan of salvation." Do you disagree? Let's try dialoging rather than judging....if you're able.

Yes I do disagree. I believe the "three steps" are vital to salvation. They may not be the only part, but they are definitely vital.

Also, your quote was not that you wouldn't wanna hear me preach if all I talked about was the three-steps. You said you would "hate to have to hear me preach."

Jack Shephard · #3 09-14-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonupci

Yes I do disagree. I believe the "three steps" are vital to salvation. They may not be the only part, but they are definitely vital.

Also, your quote was not that you wouldn't wanna hear me preach if all I talked about was the three-steps. You said you would "hate to have to hear me preach."

Why are the 3-steps part of salvation? Isn't salvation found in Grace and Mercy through Jesus and the cross?

houstonupci · #4 09-14-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Why are the 3-steps part of salvation? Isn't salvation found in Grace and Mercy through Jesus and the cross?

Because Jesus died for our sins, we are all saved? Surely not.

We must believe, yes. Believing in Jesus and believing that he is our Savior means we must believe His Word and everything is says.

When Peter was asked "what must we do," he replied "Repent, be baptized...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

I believe that he is saying they are MUSTS.

Jack Shephard · #5 09-14-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonupci

Because Jesus died for our sins, we are all saved? Surely not.

We must believe, yes. Believing in Jesus and believing that he is our Savior means we must believe His Word and everything is says.

When Peter was asked "what must we do," he replied "Repent, be baptized...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

I believe that he is saying they are MUSTS.

He was asked after he preached the Gospel. Also Acts 2:19, Peter speaking says, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." KJV The NLT says, "But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." This verse is pointing back to when Joel said in Joel 2:28-32 28

"Then, after doing all those things,
I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your old men will dream dreams,
and your young men will see visions.
29 In those days I will pour out my Spirit
even on servants—men and women alike.
30 And I will cause wonders in the heavens and on the earth—
blood and fire and columns of smoke.
31 The sun will become dark,
and the moon will turn blood red
before that great and terrible[b] day of the Lord arrives.
32 But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord
will be saved,
for some on Mount Zion in Jerusalem will escape,
just as the Lord has said.
These will be among the survivors
whom the Lord has called.

Having said all that the people asked, after they called on Jesus, basically 'now what'. He said, 'Turn from your wicked lives and turn to Jesus, wash your shelf (be baptized) and be filled with His spirit.'

Sam · #6 09-15-2010, 09:46 PM

It is my opinion that each service should give people the opportunity to surrender to Jesus and when that opportunity is given there should be some brief explanation of how to be saved or how to get right with God.

Jack Shephard · #7 09-15-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonupci

Because Jesus died for our sins, we are all saved? Surely not.

We must believe, yes. Believing in Jesus and believing that he is our Savior means we must believe His Word and everything is says.

When Peter was asked "what must we do," he replied "Repent, be baptized...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

I believe that he is saying they are MUSTS.

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

He was asked after he preached the Gospel. Also Acts 2:19, Peter speaking says, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." KJV The NLT says, "But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." This verse is pointing back to when Joel said in Joel 2:28-32 28

"Then, after doing all those things,
I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your old men will dream dreams,
and your young men will see visions.
29 In those days I will pour out my Spirit
even on servants—men and women alike.
30 And I will cause wonders in the heavens and on the earth—
blood and fire and columns of smoke.
31 The sun will become dark,
and the moon will turn blood red
before that great and terrible[b] day of the Lord arrives.
32 But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord
will be saved,
for some on Mount Zion in Jerusalem will escape,
just as the Lord has said.
These will be among the survivors
whom the Lord has called.

Having said all that the people asked, after they called on Jesus, basically 'now what'. He said, 'Turn from your wicked lives and turn to Jesus, wash your shelf (be baptized) and be filled with His spirit.'

Also wanted to add other evidence to my above post. Eph. 1 verse 6 says, "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved" 7. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Skipping to verse 10 "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:" 11. "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:" 12. "That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ" and finally verse 13. "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise"

This is solid proof that when you accept Jesus (salvation) that the spirit of God seals you and is in you.

jfrog · #8 09-16-2010, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Also wanted to add other evidence to my above post. Eph. 1 verse 6 says, "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved" 7. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Skipping to verse 10 "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:" 11. "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:" 12. "That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ" and finally verse 13. "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise"

This is solid proof that when you accept Jesus (salvation) that the spirit of God seals you and is in you.

I'm on your side but I disagree about that verse being the final and best proof for the spirit of God sealing you at belief. I think gramatically it could just as easily refer to someone receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost after belief.

Mr. Smith · #9 09-14-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonupci

Yes I do disagree. I believe the "three steps" are vital to salvation. They may not be the only part, but they are definitely vital.

Also, your quote was not that you wouldn't wanna hear me preach if all I talked about was the three-steps. You said you would "hate to have to hear me preach."

Understood, but that's what I was referring to...you seemed to be saying that the three steps should be preached every Sunday. My reaction was, "Man, then I'd hate to hear you preach."

But I did hear a pastor once state that he preached "The New Birth" (as understood by him) for 73 straight Sundays.

Jack Shephard · #10 09-14-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Understood, but that's what I was referring to...you seemed to be saying that the three steps should be preached every Sunday. My reaction was, "Man, then I'd hate to hear you preach."

But I did hear a pastor once state that he preached "The New Birth" (as understood by him) for 73 straight Sundays.

Did he have 73 straight altar calls? That is a lot.