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09-15-2010, 08:17 AM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
Social Justice is slavery with religious garments on. Any charity that is forced is not charity but slavery -- or theft. Take your pick. But what do you expect from a group of people who want to help people with other people's money?
I have no problem helping my fellow man. I do it often. I have a problem with some idiot with utopian stars in his/her eyes using a gun to steal my money and give it to someone else... after taking an 80% cut, of course.
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09-15-2010, 08:19 AM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
For the record, that also includes stealing my money to help others obtain democracy, or obtain foreign oil, or any other form of government intervention.
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09-15-2010, 11:41 AM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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For the record, that also includes stealing my money to help others obtain democracy, or obtain foreign oil, or any other form of government intervention.
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It's not stealing if it's a Democracy. An unpopular policy can be appealed. An unpopular idea can be vetoed by those representatives you and I voted for. Is it truly "stealing?"
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09-15-2010, 11:48 AM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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It's not stealing if it's a Democracy. An unpopular policy can be appealed. An unpopular idea can be vetoed by those representatives you and I voted for. Is it truly "stealing?"
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I don't care what the "popular" vote is, if I don't want to pay for an idea and the money is taken from me using force (through threat of assault or kidnapping) then it is theft. So, since I don't agree with the popular social justice.. then the stripping of my money from my possession without my consent is stealing.
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09-15-2010, 11:52 AM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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I don't care what the "popular" vote is, if I don't want to pay for an idea and the money is taken from me using force (through threat of assault or kidnapping) then it is theft. So, since I don't agree with the popular social justice.. then the stripping of my money from my possession without my consent is stealing.
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It's not stealing. You must define stealing.
If you don't like the Democracy you live in, maybe you should consider living on a remote island with a better system of government.
In the meantime, if you don't like the policy of taxation for social programs, then vote for you guy. There's an endless supply of candidates.
As far as "assault" and "kidnapping" what are you referring to?
Using your logic, I shouldn't have to pay any taxes, despite living in a representative government. I can find countless issues I don't agree with to justify such action. Let's see that meet the Romans 13 criteria though.
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09-15-2010, 12:06 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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It's not stealing. You must define stealing.
If you don't like the Democracy you live in, maybe you should consider living on a remote island with a better system of government.
In the meantime, if you don't like the policy of taxation for social programs, then vote for you guy. There's an endless supply of candidates.
As far as "assault" and "kidnapping" what are you referring to?
Using your logic, I shouldn't have to pay any taxes, despite living in a representative government. I can find countless issues I don't agree with to justify such action. Let's see that meet the Romans 13 criteria though. |
How do you define stealing?
I take it you are not an accountant.
Unjust enrichment.
one party is unjustly enriched at the expense of another
west law
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Gain or benefit that is the result of another's efforts or acts but for which that other has received no compensation, and for which the one receiving the benefit has not paid. A person who is deemed by law to have been unjustly enriched at the expense of another is required to make restitution to the other.
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we are not in a true democracy.
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09-15-2010, 12:23 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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How do you define stealing?
I take it you are not an accountant.
Unjust enrichment.
one party is unjustly enriched at the expense of another
west law
we are not in a true democracy.
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It's a REPRESENTATIVE government, Coadie.
You have to work with what you have, work to create new Constitution or decide if you still want to live here. I'd hate to see you suffer the agony of living in a system that causes you such pain.
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09-15-2010, 02:06 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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It's not stealing. You must define stealing.
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I did define stealing. It isn't hard to understand. If you take that which is mine without my knowledge or consent. Then it is stealing. Simple.
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If you don't like the Democracy you live in, maybe you should consider living on a remote island with a better system of government.
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Ahh... nothing like the good ol' "Don't like it here - move" argument.
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In the meantime, if you don't like the policy of taxation for social programs, then vote for you guy. There's an endless supply of candidates.
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There isn't an endless supply of candidates who are worthy of my vote. Sorry. Just because there are candidates doesn't mean I should vote for them.
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As far as "assault" and "kidnapping" what are you referring to?
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What happens if one doesn't wish to pay taxes?
They are assaulted by guys with guns and then put in small cages -- all for not bowing down to the extortion.
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Using your logic, I shouldn't have to pay any taxes, despite living in a representative government. I can find countless issues I don't agree with to justify such action.
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Exactly.
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Let's see that meet the Romans 13 criteria though. |
And that's a whole 'nother debate.
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09-15-2010, 02:12 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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I did define stealing. It isn't hard to understand. If you take that which is mine without my knowledge or consent. Then it is stealing. Simple.
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Well then, I ask you to legally define "consent" 
(Do you view all taxes as stealing? Curious)
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09-15-2010, 12:09 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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I don't care what the "popular" vote is, if I don't want to pay for an idea and the money is taken from me using force (through threat of assault or kidnapping) then it is theft. So, since I don't agree with the popular social justice.. then the stripping of my money from my possession without my consent is stealing.
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Socialists have a different starting point. They think the authority of use and application of assets and money is vested in the society. The decisions on the use iof money and assets is not under the authority of the "owner".
Social justice means catching up for previous shortcomings in equal distribution of money.
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