Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movement

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

WOW!!

That misquote is from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We need to be careful not to paint with a broad brush here. Remember, social justice movements brought us women's rights to work and vote, vanquished child labor, brought us safety standards in the work place, brought us liveable wages, and most importantly... the weekend. lol

Actually the deals that hampered child labor had 3 issues among others.

It was incredibly dangerous for kids doing certain jobs adults could do more salely
Adult males wanted unions so that companies wouldn't let children undercut their wages. The unions protect the adults and not the kids.
Companies actually were tired of limits with children. They had no education and just worked. Groups having nothing to do with unions sought laws to require kids go to school and have an education and learn sharper skills.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by ILG

Amazingly, the Amish do what they do mostly to stay communal. This is one of the main reasons why they accept or reject certain inventions.

The rejection of the electric line and phone line keeps them from being connected by wire to the World.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by coadie

The rejection of the electric line and phone line keeps them from being connected by wire to the World.

It also keeps them visiting face to face.

[kindofbelieve]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

It's not stealing. You must define stealing.

I did define stealing. It isn't hard to understand. If you take that which is mine without my knowledge or consent. Then it is stealing. Simple.

Originally Posted by Maximilian

If you don't like the Democracy you live in, maybe you should consider living on a remote island with a better system of government.

Ahh... nothing like the good ol' "Don't like it here - move" argument.

Originally Posted by Maximilian

In the meantime, if you don't like the policy of taxation for social programs, then vote for you guy. There's an endless supply of candidates.

There isn't an endless supply of candidates who are worthy of my vote. Sorry. Just because there are candidates doesn't mean I should vote for them.

Originally Posted by Maximilian

As far as "assault" and "kidnapping" what are you referring to?

What happens if one doesn't wish to pay taxes?

They are assaulted by guys with guns and then put in small cages -- all for not bowing down to the extortion.

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Using your logic, I shouldn't have to pay any taxes, despite living in a representative government. I can find countless issues I don't agree with to justify such action.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Let's see that meet the Romans 13 criteria though.

And that's a whole 'nother debate.

[Maximilian]

I did define stealing. It isn't hard to understand. If you take that which is mine without my knowledge or consent. Then it is stealing. Simple.

Well then, I ask you to legally define "consent"

(Do you view all taxes as stealing? Curious)

[Maximilian]

Ahh... nothing like the good ol' "Don't like it here - move" argument.

But with a twist. You insist you are being robbed. I'm telling you aren't because you live in a representative democracy that you participate with (I'd imagine), vote for, and then collectively accept the results. That's not exactly thievery. If you still refuse to see that you aren't being robbed, I'd go somewhere where I'm not being so victimized. That's all.

[Maximilian]

What happens if one doesn't wish to pay taxes?

They are assaulted by guys with guns and then put in small cages -- all for not bowing down to the extortion.

Ah, so it's not that they are kidnapping you, they are enforcing a law that you refuse to obey. You are very loosely and creatively referring to that as kidnapping. And no, they won't assault you, unless you resist them.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Maximilian
Let's see that meet the Romans 13 criteria though.

And that's a whole 'nother debate.

Or is it?

BTW, what's your solution?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

But with a twist. You insist you are being robbed. I'm telling you aren't because you live in a representative democracy that you participate with (I'd imagine), vote for, and then collectively accept the results. That's not exactly thievery. If you still refuse to see that you aren't being robbed, I'd go somewhere where I'm not being so victimized. That's all.

Read some history. Then tell us if we are a democracy.

What's the difference? According to my Merriam-Webster:

•Democracy — Government by the people; government in which the supreme power is retained by the people and exercised either directly (Ablsolute, or pure), or indirectly (representative).

•Republic — A state in which the sovereign power resides in a certain body of the people (the electorate), and is exercised by representatives elected by, and responsible to, them.
Articles I and II of the Constitution are very explicit: We choose representatives and they make the rules that we live by until its time to choose again. Thank God we don't have to run down to the townhall, the statehouse, or the nation's capitol to decide every question.