UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Who is the guy in your picture Dan?

Major Hassan ... US Army major behind Fort Hood murders who expressed sympathy for Islamic terrorists

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...#ixzz10GVDvnOw

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by DAII

Outrageous ... the first few posts on this thread.

As a libertarian, I more than believe that any alleged suspect in a crime is innocent until proven guilty and record shows I'm ALL FOR DUE PROCESS IN THIS CASE or ANY CASE.

But the calls to silence these type of threads is all but SICKENING ....
Same thing happened even when 12 jurors (the defendants own peers) found Pastor Fogarty guilty for slandering Angela Driver ... cat calls for "WHY WE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE!"

It makes one very cynical and suspicious as to motive...

I could post dozens of court cases we've discussed and "thrashed" where the alleged has all but "admitted" to the crime ...

Remember this guy we've discussed AD NAUSEUM? As it stands ... RIGHT NOW ... OFFICIALLY HE'S INNOCENT.



That said ...

I've combed through articles regarding this Monk case ... Liberal ... and can you tell me the link or inside source you have where Monk told the judge he was essentially set up ... by either his accusers, the local police and/or the district attorney or that somehow the court documents stating his admission to being her "boyfriend" was done under duress.

Really?

1. As it stands, the only charge this 'minister' is facing is sexual battery. Why because apparently, in Ohio, a 16 year old MINOR can consent to sex with a married man ... or any man for that matter.

2. If I read the article correctly, the police were able to file charges only when they could prove he is a man in "authority" or of the cloth. Thus, the sexual battery charge.

It's mind boggling that Aquila would get on here too ... and somehow blame a child for this heinous act of mistrust allegedly perpetrated by a man who is married and who most likely used his authority and trust to prey on a family that was going through a divorce and prey on the weakest among them.

I don't care if the girl was in her birthday suit, spread eagle ... it in no way vindicates what has happened here.

I'm disappointed in your take on this, DAII. I'd say that I've enjoyed your angles on this forum more than anyone I've read. You're the "Grace Man" here and yet you're the one here chasing this man with a noose before we really know any facts about this. Surely you know better than to believe everything written in a newspaper article across-the-board.

Not long ago, I did a series of interviews with a newspaper reporter. When the articles were printed, I was SHOCKED at what I said. There were numerous statements that were completely opposed to some of the dearest core philosophies I hold in life.

I'm just saying, DAII, put your noose away and wait. If the facts come out and you're right, I'll hand it to you and pat you on the back.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Liberal

I'm disappointed in your take on this, DAII. I'd say that I've enjoyed your angles on this forum more than anyone I've read. You're the "Grace Man" here and yet you're the one here chasing this man with a noose before we really know any facts about this. Surely you know better than to believe everything written in a newspaper article across-the-board.

Not long ago, I did a series of interviews with a newspaper reporter. When the articles were printed, I was SHOCKED at what I said. There were numerous statements that were completely opposed to some of the dearest core philosophies I hold in life.

I'm just saying, DAII, put your noose away and wait. If the facts come out and you're right, I'll hand it to you and pat you on the back.

Thing is, facts are coming out ... this is not a lone yellow journalist ... this was reported by various news sources using court documents and part of the evidence the state is using, ... to bring these charges. Liberal.

I am very much a Grace of God man ... and believe His blood washes even the most heinous sins and makes us right before God... but even Paul regards the law as a schoolmaster that defines sin and points to our need for Christ ..

That is not to be confused with the consequences of sin ...or the consequences of the law ... in this case the statutes in Ohio ... that are designed to protect the innocent ... or the need we have for rule of law to protect our property and God-given rights.

An adult male minister has allegedly preyed on a weaker and more vulnerable individual here ... as DEFINED BY THE LAW. The fact that he is minister is very much germane to this case and the reason the felony charge has been made.

That said, can you please point to where Pastor Monk made the claims of being lied about ... at the bond hearing? I'm most definitely am not a conspiracist, sorry.

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by DAII

Thing is, facts are coming out ... this is not a lone yellow journalist ... this was reported by various news sources using court documents and part of the evidence the state is using, ... to bring these charges. Liberal.

I am very much a Grace of God man ... and believe His blood washes even the most heinous sins and makes us right before God... but even Paul regards the law as a schoolmaster that defines sin and points to our need for Christ ..

That is not to be confused with the consequences of sin ...or the consequences of the law ... in this case the statutes in Ohio ... that are designed to protect the innocent ... or the need we have for rule of law to protect our property and God-given rights.

An adult male minister has allegedly preyed on a weaker and more vulnerable individual here ... as DEFINED BY THE LAW. The fact that he is minister is very much germane to this case and the reason the felony charge has been made.

That said, can you please point to where Pastor Monk made the claims of being lied about ... at the bond hearing? I'm most definitely am not a conspiracist, sorry.

Yes, I can. He said there were statements attributed to him that he didn't make. No, he didn't specify which ones, but it leaves open to question exactly what they are and until we know, it's much better to reserve judgment. Come on DAII, since the inception of our American legal system, there have been tens of thousands of people wrongly accused. It DOES happen and the information you're getting could be wrong. Do you not believe there's any chance of that?

Would you consider, at all, there is any chance this man is innocent?

[Michael]

Originally Posted by DAII

Outrageous ... the first few posts on this thread.

As a libertarian, I more than believe that any alleged suspect in a crime is innocent until proven guilty and record shows I'm ALL FOR DUE PROCESS IN THIS CASE or ANY CASE.

But the calls to silence these type of threads is all but SICKENING ....
Same thing happened even when 12 jurors (the defendants own peers) found Pastor Fogarty guilty for slandering Angela Driver ... cat calls for "WHY WE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE!"

It makes one very cynical and suspicious as to motive...

I could post dozens of court cases we've discussed and "thrashed" where the alleged has all but "admitted" to the crime ...

Remember this guy we've discussed AD NAUSEUM? As it stands ... RIGHT NOW ... OFFICIALLY HE'S INNOCENT.



That said ...

I've combed through articles regarding this Monk case ... Liberal ... and can you tell me the link or inside source you have where Monk told the judge he was essentially set up ... by either his accusers, the local police and/or the district attorney or that somehow the court documents stating his admission to being her "boyfriend" was done under duress.

Really?

1. As it stands, the only charge this 'minister' is facing is sexual battery. Why because apparently, in Ohio, a 16 year old MINOR can consent to sex with a married man ... or any man for that matter.

2. If I read the article correctly, the police were able to file charges only when they could prove he is a man in "authority" or of the cloth. Thus, the sexual battery charge.

It's mind boggling that Aquila would get on here too ... and somehow blame a child for this heinous act of mistrust allegedly perpetrated by a man who is married and who most likely used his authority and trust to prey on a family that was going through a divorce and prey on the weakest among them.

I don't care if the girl was in her birthday suit, spread eagle ... it in no way vindicates what has happened here.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If it were you... wouldn't you want due process? What if they are baseless accusations? Now... to report it after the facts are found and he's convicted... go for it.

Here's my question... obviously this young lady was leaving the house and meeting with him. What was she thinking. A 16 year old girl! Did she throw herself at him? Did she seduce him? She carries some of the blame here too.

Aquila, I have a 15 year old daughter. If she were seduced by a 47 year old man, I would feel that he held 100% of the blame. Shame on him. In a position of authority and trust AND a mature adult--he knew better.

I can understand quibbling over statutory rape laws when you have a 16 year old and an 18 year old. Okay. That's a bit of a gray area. But with an age difference like this? Nothing to quibble over.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Aquila, I have a 15 year old daughter. If she were seduced by a 47 year old man, I would feel that he held 100% of the blame. Shame on him. In a position of authority and trust AND a mature adult--he knew better.

I can understand quibbling over statutory rape laws when you have a 16 year old and an 18 year old. Okay. That's a bit of a gray area. But with an age difference like this? Nothing to quibble over.

Don't get me wrong... I agree. I just think this girl needs some serious counseling.

[Jermyn Davidson]

He surrendered his license.

He knew this was coming and he knew he was guilty.

The only innocent parties involved in this case are the families of the adulterers and the church that this guy and his family founded.


This is so sad to read-- and quite baffling.

No one is above the attacks of satan or immune from the out of bounds desires of the flesh.

[coadie]

If the charge is true, the man has no excuse. If the case is not true, he still didn't have boundaries, accountability and hedges in place.

She at her age can't make informed and good decisions.
1 She can have an abortion without parental consent
2 An abortionist if she was preggers would not report this to the law
3 They teach sexual misconduct early and often in public schools
4 The safe schools czar is actually pushing education for promiscous behaviors.

[geekette]

Originally Posted by coadie

If the charge is true, the man has no excuse. If the case is not true, he still didn't have boundaries, accountability and hedges in place.

She at her age can't make informed and good decisions.
1 She can have an abortion without parental consent
2 An abortionist if she was preggers would not report this to the law
3 They teach sexual misconduct early and often in public schools
4 The safe schools czar is actually pushing education for promiscous behaviors.

Oh, this has nothing to do with abortion, but you're so willing to drag that in here. Get back to the topic, please!

I'm really disgusted with the comments coming from some people. There's a reason why we make legal differences between children and adults, and that's because adults are presumed to be, well, Adult. On top of that, if you're in a certain position of trust with a youth, then more is expected of you. This man abused that trust and knew or should have known full well that having a relationship with a 16 YO is illegal and wrong. What you're doing here is blaming the victim.