Are You Sure You Don't Want To Be Left Behind?

[DAII]

I disagree.

Here is why. The immediate context could look as though Jesus is comparing the flood victims with those that are taken, but the grammar is quite different.

Mat 24:39 And they knew nothing until the flood came and took them all away. It will be the same at the coming of the Son of Man.

airō
A primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is, weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare [H5375]) to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).

Now compare that to the other verse.
Mat 24:40 Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one left.

Here is the word for taken
paralambanō
to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by analogy to assume an office; figuratively to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).

That doesn't sound like judgment

Not sure the usage (not grammar) of multiple words somehow doesn't still convey judgment. Why not find other scripture to help unlock this one, Praxeas ... this has the classic makings of a WORD STUDY FALLACY ... http://www.studydesk.org/Hermeneutic...0Fallacies.htm

In Luke 17, where there are parallel statements made by Christ, about people being "taken" ... using airo and lambano again ... Still, it most definitely indicates a moment and taking in judgment ...

he is asked point blank: Where Lord?

26"(AA)And just as it happened (AB)in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:

27they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

28"It was the same as happened in (AC)the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building;

29but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

30"It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man (AD)is revealed.

31"On that day, the one who is (AE)on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out; and likewise the one who is in the field must not turn back.

32"(AF)Remember Lot's wife.

33"(AG)Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

34"I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left.

35"(AH)There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left.

36["[b](AI)Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left."]

37And answering they said to Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said to them, "(AJ)Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered.

Some translations use the word "carcass" for body in verse 37. Doesn't sound like heaven ... and why continually make comparisons to the other judgments other than Noah ... like Lot's wife ... and Sodom and Gomorrah???

Would still seem with these example being left means a good thing with "Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it" in purview.

You also stated:

Now here is the larger context. Mat 24:30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus was explaining in the later verses about the "gathering" to Himself of His elect

It would appear the elect are gathered to see him mete out judgment ... which happens subsequently.

The alternative is to force an interpretation ...

Context here is most definitely meting of judgment ... not "the rapture". Adding biblical witness to the Matthew 24 account ... and credence to Raven's interpretation.

[DAII]

Of great interest , in Luke 17, is that Christ begins his remarks about taking and his judgment with these words:

Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within you.”

It would seem we are dealing with a spiritual reality in all of this.
Not something seen with human eyes - thinking out loud

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

Not sure the usage (not grammar) of multiple words somehow doesn't still convey judgment. Why not find other scripture to help unlock this one, Praxeas ... this has the classic makings of a WORD STUDY FALLACY ... http://www.studydesk.org/Hermeneutic...0Fallacies.htm

In Luke 17, where there are parallel statements made by Christ, about people being "taken" ... using airo and lambano again ... Still, it most definitely indicates a moment and taking in judgment ...

he is asked point blank: Where Lord?

The word for taken just can't mean judgment. Look at how the word is used...first it's definition

to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation);

Mat 1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Mat 1:24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife,

The difference is, in the flood the group are taken to be with the Lord (relationship), they are destroyed from off the planet

In Noah's flood there are 2 groups, those that are taken into the Ark and those left behind to be judged.

but as I pointed out, the context is the angels reaping the earth and taking away (and by implication,leaving others behind) the elect

Luke 17 seems to be about the coming of the Son of man
Luk 17:20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed,
Luk 17:21nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."
Luk 17:22 And he said to the disciples, "The days are coming when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.
Luk 17:23And they will say to you, 'Look, there!' or 'Look, here!' Do not go out or follow them.
Luk 17:24For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in his day.
Luk 17:25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Luk 17:26Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
Luk 17:27They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot--they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building,
Luk 17:29but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all--
Luk 17:30so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

Some translations use the word "carcass" for body in verse 37. Doesn't sound like heaven ... and why continually make comparisons to the other judgments other than Noah ... like Lot's wife ... and Sodom and Gomorrah???

I don't think he was comparing angels to vultures particularly since the other verse says "The Elect"

It would appear the elect are gathered to see him mete out judgment ... which happens subsequently.

Then, like Noah, The Elect are removed from the judgment somehow.

The alternative is to force an interpretation ...

Context here is most definitely meting of judgment ... not "the rapture". Adding biblical witness to the Matthew 24 account ... and credence to Raven's interpretation.

The context shows two classes, those that are judged and those that are not.

Noah's account shows two classes. Those that are without and those that are gathered within.