st.john 5;19

[pastorrick1959]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

what say ye to this?

this was the subject at hand ,i;ll just brush this other stuff aside ...

there is a son , there is a father , the son never one place claims to be god NOT ONE!

the son is not the fahter and son , but he is the son of god! when the word OF is added ,,that means it came from him. not is him,. just simple english !

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

this was the subject at hand ,i;ll just brush this other stuff aside ...

there is a son , there is a father , the son never one place claims to be god NOT ONE!

Is 44:6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I [am] the first, and I [am] the last, and beside me there is no God.

Jehovah is the First and the Last

Rev 1
12 And I turned back to see the voice which spoke with me; and having turned, I saw seven golden lamps,
13and in the midst of the [seven] lamps [one] like [the] Son of man, clothed with a garment reaching to the feet, and girt about at the breasts with a golden girdle:
14his head and hair white like white wool, as snow; and his eyes as a flame of fire;
15and his feet like fine brass, as burning in a furnace; and his voice as the voice of many waters;
16and having in his right hand seven stars; and out of his mouth a sharp two-edged sword going forth; and his countenance as the sun shines in its power.
17And when I saw him I fell at his feet as dead; and he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Fear not; *I* am the first and the last,
18and the living one: and I became dead, and behold, I am living to the ages of ages, and have the keys of death and of hades.

Brother, the Son of Man (Jesus) said He is the First and the Last.
This is one place where the Son says He is God

[SRM]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Is 44:6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I [am] the first, and I [am] the last, and beside me there is no God.

Jehovah is the First and the Last

Rev 1
12 And I turned back to see the voice which spoke with me; and having turned, I saw seven golden lamps,
13and in the midst of the [seven] lamps [one] like [the] Son of man, clothed with a garment reaching to the feet, and girt about at the breasts with a golden girdle:
14his head and hair white like white wool, as snow; and his eyes as a flame of fire;
15and his feet like fine brass, as burning in a furnace; and his voice as the voice of many waters;
16and having in his right hand seven stars; and out of his mouth a sharp two-edged sword going forth; and his countenance as the sun shines in its power.
17And when I saw him I fell at his feet as dead; and he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Fear not; *I* am the first and the last,
18and the living one: and I became dead, and behold, I am living to the ages of ages, and have the keys of death and of hades.

Brother, the Son of Man (Jesus) said He is the First and the Last.
This is one place where the Son says He is God

Since when can God die?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SRM

Since when can God die?

Since He was manifested in flesh

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

this was the subject at hand ,i;ll just brush this other stuff aside ...

there is a son , there is a father , the son never one place claims to be god NOT ONE!

the son is not the fahter and son , but he is the son of god! when the word OF is added ,,that means it came from him. not is him,. just simple english !

Oneness does not say the Son is the Father and Son.