How Does One Become Re-filled With The Holy Ghost?

[staysharp]

I don't understand how one can be re-born again? I also don't understand the mindset that one can lose the gift when the scripture plainly tells us they are given without repentance.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I don't understand how one can be re-born again? I also don't understand the mindset that one can lose the gift when the scripture plainly tells us they are given without repentance.

Once again, welcome to hyper-Armenian Pentecostal Theology. We are John Wesleys red-headed step-children soteriologically.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Once again, welcome to hyper-Armenian Pentecostal Theology. We are John Wesleys red-headed step-children soteriologically.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I don't understand how one can be re-born again? I also don't understand the mindset that one can lose the gift when the scripture plainly tells us they are given without repentance.

Romans 8 makes it clear that those who have the Holy Spirit are joint heirs with Christ. Can an unbeliever be a joint heir with Christ? God forbid!

Therefore, the gift of the Holy Spirit is a gift for believers. So, when you cease to be a believer you must also cease to have the Holy Spirit (else an unbeliever would be a joint heir with Christ). However, a person that has ceased to be a believer can begin to believe again. In such a case he can become filled with the Holy Spirit once again. Is this what you are calling being re-born again? If so what don't you understand about it?

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Romans 8 makes it clear that those who have the Holy Spirit are joint heirs with Christ. Can an unbeliever be a joint heir with Christ? God forbid!

Therefore, the gift of the Holy Spirit is a gift for believers. So, when you cease to be a believer you must also cease to have the Holy Spirit (else an unbeliever would be a joint heir with Christ). However, a person that has ceased to be a believer can begin to believe again. In such a case he can become filled with the Holy Spirit once again. Is this what you are calling being re-born again? If so what don't you understand about it?

So what you are saying is every time we believe or disbelieve or re-believe, we are born again again...stupid.

[Sam]

Was the prodigal still a son when he was in the hogpen?
Was he reborn into the family when his father ran to him and embraced him on the road? or was he reborn into the family after he bathed and put on a clean robe? How dead was he when he was in the hogpen? The father said he "was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found."

Did he lose sonship or the benefits of sonship or was he always a son but just living below his potential and privilege?

If that's where you are going with this thread.


There is another experience we call being filled or refilled with the Holy Ghost.
In Acts2:1-4 the apostles were baptized in the Spirit/filled with the Spirit.
In Acts 4:8 it says Peter was "filled with the Holy Ghost" as he addressed the leaders.
In Acts 4:23-31 the believers gathered together and prayed and it says they "filled with the Holy Ghost" in verse 31. Now, did they lose the Holy Ghost in between those experiences, did He leak out?

In Acts 9, Ananias came to Saul in Damascus and laid his hands on him so that he might receive his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost. We assume this is where he was initially filled with the Spirit or baptized in the Spirit (3 days after his conversion or birth of the Spirit if you are a one-stepper). Traditionally his conversion is dated as January 25, AD 32 so this would have taken place on January 28th. Then in the spring of AD 47 in the island of Cyprus it says in Acts 13:9 it says that Saul/Paul was filled with the Holy Ghost as he cursed the sorcerer. Again, was he re-filled? re-baptized in the Spirit? re-born of the Spirit? refilled because the Spirit had leaked out? there in Acts 13

If you were a Baptist, they would tell you there is one baptism but many fillings. How do Pentecostals describe it?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by staysharp

So what you are saying is every time we believe or disbelieve or re-believe, we are born again again...stupid.

Assuming that a person can believe, then stop believing and then start believing again then that is exactly what I am saying. By the way, it's great that you are mocking, but that only tells me you haven't really thought these things through.

When Jesus told Nicodemus about being born again it was an analogy. You are so stuck on having to have the analogy make sense in every situation that you cannot see the truth for the analogy. The truth is that we know the fate of unbelievers and we know the fate of believers. Unbelievers don't go to heaven. Believers go to heaven. You are caught up on not understanding how people say a person can be "re-born again" but I don't understand how you can say that a hellbound unbeliever can have the Holy Spirit when scripture makes it plain that those who have the Spirit of Christ will go to heaven. So I would rather be accused of having a person be re-born again than be accused of having a hellbound unbeliever having the Holy Ghost.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I don't understand how one can be re-born again? I also don't understand the mindset that one can lose the gift when the scripture plainly tells us they are given without repentance.

You cannot be reborn again.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I don't understand how one can be re-born again? I also don't understand the mindset that one can lose the gift when the scripture plainly tells us they are given without repentance.

If the "gift" is defined as an outwardly observable emotional state, then I can see how. Just close your Bible and stop asking such questions and you'll fit in better.