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Old 10-09-2010, 01:40 PM
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Re: Biblical Holiness

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What if the pastor is teaching these doctrines? Should we follow the scripture that says, "obey them that have the rule over you"?



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If you want to stay a member in that congregation and the Pastor insists the only way to do that is obey, then yes.

Ironically, I know of a very ultra conservative church whose pastor is hardline and I know of several members that outright disobey his teachings, like by having a TV. And I know of others that find loopholes like having a big screen TV and saying its just for games but watching MMA over the internet..what is more disturbing is that same individual downs other churches that don't preach hot and heavy against owning TVs.

I'd say obey as much as possible. Whatever you don't feel you want to obey as long as it's not something that will cause a controversy within the congregation then fine. For example the TV above in the first example he has them hidden away from any guest that might come over nor does he go around telling others he has one and or they should too.

My main problem with that though is the only reason he goes to that church is the Pastor has him so brain washed into feeling guilt if he were to switch churches. So what happens is any member of that church just does what they want, hides it, and pretends to be a regular member in good standing OR they just not go to church anymore, fearing visiting other Apostolic churches because of what the Pastor has said
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Re: Biblical Holiness

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My main problem with that though is the only reason he goes to that church is the Pastor has him so brain washed into feeling guilt if he were to switch churches. So what happens is any member of that church just does what they want, hides it, and pretends to be a regular member in good standing OR they just not go to church anymore, fearing visiting other Apostolic churches because of what the Pastor has said
That is outright bondage and hypocrisy. Those members seem like they are pleasing their Pastor instead of our Lord Jesus Christ. Paul admonishes us in

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

If we do not stand fast in our liberty, man will put us in bondage again...

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
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That is outright bondage and hypocrisy. Those members seem like they are pleasing their Pastor instead of our Lord Jesus Christ. Paul admonishes us in

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

If we do not stand fast in our liberty, man will put us in bondage again...

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
I agree. The members are actually told they would be better off backsliding than to go to another Apostolic church even if that church is a 3 step/standard preaching church. The reason is the other churches don't preach standards 3 times a month or so or don't constantly preach against TVs or owning TVs or believe video is ok and wedding bands are ok etc etc
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