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Old 10-21-2010, 03:17 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

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They aren't required NOW to come out of the closet. They have the right to serve so long as they don't OUT themselves causing it to reach "command level" where it has to be addressed. I know the terminology isn't familiar, and that's also part of the problem. The military environment is unlike ANY civilian one. Civilians (especially the the thought/PC police) just don't understand how many issues repealing DADT will have.

We all have a right to privacy to a degree. If a person is openly gay however, and is allowed to serve and live in a communal environment, it will obviously be KNOWN. Most barracks I've been in contain multi-person rooms. It's not like you get your own personal apartment.
DADT repeal will require straights to be uncomfortably close in working and sleeping arrangements that simply don't exist in the civilian world.

On a different track, the military's policies on "conduct detrimental to the service (to include sexual morality)" will have to be modified. Straights will be allowed to have their significant others/girlfriends/hookups in their rooms, showers, bunks, wherever, if gays are offered their own rooms to be housed together. The conduct standard has historically been applied to maintain a level of high morale among men and women that are in a live-in situations without sexual partners. In light of this, DADT repeal is a terrible idea.
Repealing DADT will absolutely create the need to have an open live in situation for every soldier by law, otherwise disparity exists between conduct standards required for gays vs straights.
You raise good points. Would love to hear someone who can rebut.

My point about "rights" is that since they aren't required now, and won't be required later, the only thing that would change is that they wouldn't be kicked out if they CHOSE to come out.

BTW, I have a military background and am also very familiar with the military lifestyle, and the world of the UCMJ.
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Old 10-21-2010, 03:36 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

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You raise good points. Would love to hear someone who can rebut.

My point about "rights" is that since they aren't required now, and won't be required later, the only thing that would change is that they wouldn't be kicked out if they CHOSE to come out.

BTW, I have a military background and am also very familiar with the military lifestyle, and the world of the UCMJ.
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Old 10-21-2010, 03:42 PM
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DADT is back on the law. The 9th court let it back in place. If the ones that took federal dollars were kicked out for coming "out" now they have to pay back their education. In my opinion, civil courts are not the place for an non civilian problem.
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