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Old 10-23-2010, 05:09 PM
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Re: NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

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our "1 step brothers" are saying 3 steppers are teaching heresy. what say ye?
I'm saying that one-steppers and three-steppers are both teaching salvation by faith but we present it differently. We both teach that justification/salvation/regeneration is by faith and we both say that faith is more than just a mental assent. One steppers say that faith is trust in Jesus that results in a change in the person's attitude and actions even though those changes may not be perceptible for some time. Three steppers say that faith is trust in Jesus that results in water baptism in Jesus' name and receiving the Holy Ghost Baptism.
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Old 10-23-2010, 05:17 PM
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Re: NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

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I'm saying that one-steppers and three-steppers are both teaching salvation by faith but we present it differently. We both teach that justification/salvation/regeneration is by faith and we both say that faith is more than just a mental assent. One steppers say that faith is trust in Jesus that results in a change in the person's attitude and actions even though those changes may not be perceptible for some time. Three steppers say that faith is trust in Jesus that results in water baptism in Jesus' name and receiving the Holy Ghost Baptism.
Sam, what I previously believed about grace is not just a different presentation, it's a different perspective... more dramatically said, it's a different paradigm. When we leave the onus on God for saving us, that affects how vivid and real we see grace, and just how gracious that God is.

While I think your unity statement is true for some in both of these camps (because we all know there are exceptions), as far as a theological position, the differences couldn't be more stark IMO. Maybe I'll soften that view in time. Right now, it's contrastingly different. I never realized how much that theology penetrated into absolutely every area in the believer's life: from seeing grace, to acting out in grace (gracious living) to trusting the security of God's salvation to keeping sanctification in perspective.
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