NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by sandie

It ALL starts and ends with faith. Am I the only "three stepper" on this forum who has said it starts and ends with faith? I haven't read anyone say differently, but maybe I've missed it, I've hardly read everything on here.

I'm starting to get a complex (not) about faith and being a 'three stepper" (yikes, I don't like that saying...but, when in Rome).
Without faith it's impossible to please God...that's not hard to reconcile with being obedient to the plan of salvation.
Paul said he would show you his faith by his works.
Seems to me there's enough division without making it sound like those who believe in Acts 2:38 as the plan of salvation don't have faith or that we believe the monumental price Jesus paid for our sins isn't enough.
Maybe I'm reading things into what is being posted...

That actually was James who said that, and he was referencing a person choosing to pray for the need of another rather than just filling the need themselves. It has nothing, neither directly nor indirectly, to do with anything relating to salvation.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

That actually was James who said that, and he was referencing a person choosing to pray for the need of another rather than just filling the need themselves. It has nothing, neither directly nor indirectly, to do with anything relating to salvation.

I stand corrected. Thanks.
And yes I actually do remember the context of it being said.
He James, NOT Paul...(looks at floor and shuffles feet...) also said, faith without works is dead.
Faith is faith, is it not? I can't reconcile seperating one faith from another.
Hope that makes sense.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by sandie

I stand corrected. Thanks.
And yes I actually do remember the context of it being said.
He James, NOT Paul...(looks at floor and shuffles feet...) also said, faith without works is dead.
Faith is faith, is it not? I can't reconcile seperating one faith from another.
Hope that makes sense.

Yes, faith without works is dead. Faith, if it has not become active, if all it does is sit there and hope for the best, pass by a hungry person and say, "Be well and be fed", it is dead.


There is nothing here, veiled or principled, that relates to salvation and it always amazes me when someone uses it here. You all must have attended the same indoctrination seminar.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by sandie

I stand corrected. Thanks.
And yes I actually do remember the context of it being said.
He James, NOT Paul...(looks at floor and shuffles feet...) also said, faith without works is dead.
Faith is faith, is it not? I can't reconcile seperating one faith from another.
Hope that makes sense.

He James....You Sandie?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by sandie

I stand corrected. Thanks.
And yes I actually do remember the context of it being said.
He James, NOT Paul...(looks at floor and shuffles feet...) also said, faith without works is dead.
Faith is faith, is it not? I can't reconcile seperating one faith from another.
Hope that makes sense.

Hey Sandie!

It's not a matter of separation, it's just qualifying what saves us. Paul's "be who you are" admonition, right along with James' are not in the context of how we are saved. Salvation is the gift of God. If we think we can earn it, we will find our wage, no matter how awesome we think we are, is still death.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Hey Sandie!

It's not a matter of separation, it's just qualifying what saves us. Paul's "be who you are" admonition, right along with James' are not in the context of how we are saved. Salvation is the gift of God. If we think we can earn it, we will find our wage, no matter how awesome we think we are, is still death.

Didn't Peter say, water does now save us? I'm only bringing that up because we need to take the "whole" counsel of God into effect and let that speak to us.
I fully realize that salvation is a gift, there is absolutley nothing whatsoever I could possibly do to earn that gift. I don't know how to say it any clearer.
I get the feeling that those who believe in the obedience to Acts 2:38 as the act of "obeying the Gospel" are labeled as those who think they can or must do something to earn the free gift of God's astounding grace and gift of salvation.
Nothing could be further from the truth, at least in my heart and mind.
I stand amazed that God ever reached out to me, drew me by His Spirit, saved me, justified me and has prepared a place for me to be with Him forever!
Nobody knows better than I anything I do to try and merit His grace falls flat at the mere thought.
I'm convinced that when God spoke thru Peter to say, repent (even repentance is an action, it's something you do), be baptized in the Name and you will recieve the gift of the HG, He meant it.
God bless!