NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Aren't you just AFF's resident tough guy...


Water/Spirit doctrine doesn't discount faith, it discounts grace.

No. the tuff guys left. I’m just a mild mannered moderate who appears tuff to the local jackwagons from namby pamby land.

And the only people who believe W/S doctrine discounts grace are those who either do not understand it, or have made a conscious decision to abandon it.

As I have already said, I am at peace with my belief as well as at peace with those of you who believe differently…. I will add this caveat: so long as you choose to live at peace with me. Now if you want to tell me how small my faith is or how I discount grace… well now we are getting personal. I’ve never done a good job of backing up when pushed. I don’t intend to start now.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Ferd

No. the tuff guys left. I’m just a mild mannered moderate who appears tuff to the local jackwagons from namby pamby land.

And the only people who believe W/S doctrine discounts grace are those who either do not understand it, or have made a conscious decision to abandon it.

As I have already said, I am at peace with my belief as well as at peace with those of you who believe differently…. I will add this caveat: so long as you choose to live at peace with me. Now if you want to tell me how small my faith is or how I discount grace… well now we are getting personal. I’ve never done a good job of backing up when pushed. I don’t intend to start now.

Yeah, typical tough guy talk, Ferd.

And the only people who believe W/S doctrine discounts grace are those who either do not understand it, or have made a conscious decision to abandon it

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You have no clue what you're talking about. I TAUGHT W/S doctrine for years!! I think I understood it just fine. I even thought I had a handle on Grace. Boy, was I ever wrong! I've made a conscious to abandon the doctrine BECAUSE I fully understand it.

Who says I'm not at "peace" with you. That doesn't mean we won't cross swords with ideas. It's not personal that I know you are missing out on how much more there is to this Grace story. You can take it personal, but that may just be your style.

Fact is, there's no room in your theology for those who have not been baptized the way you claim, and who have not spoken in tongues. You may say we are "at peace" but your theology doesn't even consider me a brother.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Yeah, typical tough guy talk, Ferd.

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You have no clue what you're talking about. I TAUGHT W/S doctrine for years!! I think I understood it just fine. I even thought I had a handle on Grace. Boy, was I ever wrong! I've made a conscious to abandon the doctrine BECAUSE I fully understand it.

Who says I'm not at "peace" with you. That doesn't mean we won't cross swords with ideas. It's not personal that I know you are missing out on how much more there is to this Grace story. You can take it personal, but that may just be your style.

Fact is, there's no room in your theology for those who have not been baptized the way you claim, and who have not spoken in tongues. You may say we are "at peace" but your theology doesn't even consider me a brother.

Bro. as i have said already, I am at peace with my belief and I really am trying to be at peace with those who do not believe as I do. it is enough that we are all trying to get to the same place.

and I really am not a tuff guy..... sorry about that. I can act the part if it makes you feel better?