Voting R Is Vote 4 War

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Like most of the country who believed the lies.

I honestly did not.

I remember all the hype leading up to it, I remember speaking with my Sergeants and other fellow Soldiers about my concerns and the lack of rational thinking.

I remember it all to well.

If ever there was an unjust war that America has participated in, it was the recent Iraq war.

Really? Why don't you ask the people there that were tortured. You think they would agree with your "political" response?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ok dude whatever you want to believe, but Darfur and Iraq are night and day.

Originally Posted by Esther

Really? Why don't you ask the people there that were tortured. You think they would agree with your "political" response?

You can blow me off if you want to , but its been documented. Massacares of civilians, rape, dismemberment, torture. I couldn't have cared less about WMD's. The country was going down and the people wanted him out, for that opinion they were slaughtered. On a side note, Im for going into Darfur too. But there is no difference.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by scotty

You can blow me off if you want to , but its been documented. Massacares of civilians, rape, dismemberment, torture. I couldn't have cared less about WMD's. The country was going down and the people wanted him out, for that opinion they were slaughtered. On a side note, Im for going into Darfur too. But there is no difference.

It has also been proven there were WMD there that had been moved.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Esther

It has also been proven there were WMD there that had been moved.

yeah , but you know that dont matter if your out to rail against the war. Just like everyone zero's in on the WMDs as the ONLY reason we went in when Bush listed a dozen reasons.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by scotty

You can blow me off if you want to , but its been documented. Massacares of civilians, rape, dismemberment, torture. I couldn't have cared less about WMD's. The country was going down and the people wanted him out, for that opinion they were slaughtered. On a side note, Im for going into Darfur too. But there is no difference.

Then the Iraqi people should have done it.

WHY LIE about our intents for war against Iraq?


There is a HUGE difference. Iraq had a strong government and was stable.

Sudan has a weak government and has not been stable for a long time.

Iraq is more civilized, Sudan well it is still a 3rd world country and seems like it will be for a very long time to come.

With these conditions in mind, the brutality in Iraq vs the brutality in Darfur could not have occurred on the same level.

Scotty, I've not run into anyone who attempts to make the comparison of Iraq to Darfur as far as brutality.

Not diminishing what the Iraqi's went through, but they did have the framework by which they could attempt to overthrow their centralized government if they wanted to.

In Sudan, who were they going to overthrow, resist-- their neighbor or the people from the next village over?

Iraqi's have neighbors with civilized militaries and intel ops-- it would have not been impossible for the Iraqi civillians to get them involved.

Sudan's neighbors?


Iraqi's were never helpless.

Sudanese?



The situations leading up to the maasacres are different.
The reasons behind the massacres are different.
The positions of the people involved in the violence are different.
The volume of causalities and the collective effects on their societies are different.


Your comparison of Iraq to Darfur is terribly flawed.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Then the Iraqi people should have done it.
This is a really sad statement. Why don't the people of Darfur take care of themselves ?

WHY LIE about our intents for war against Iraq?
What lie ? Im waiting.

There is a HUGE difference. Iraq had a strong government and was stable.
Wrong again. Saddam HAD Iraq's government and country stable. He really done a great job there for a while. Until the Iraq/Iran war. He borrowed so much money for that war he put the country in debt. Thats why he went in to Kuwait because they would not resolve their debt. Arab countries rallied behind him against Iran then walked away when it was over. He then turned back to Shiria law and Islam(which he had all but abolished). Social upheaval began, this was met with massacre.

Sudan has a weak government and has not been stable for a long time.

Iraq is more civilized, Sudan well it is still a 3rd world country and seems like it will be for a very long time to come.

With these conditions in mind, the brutality in Iraq vs the brutality in Darfur could not have occurred on the same level.
Sure it could have, Iraq is simply better equipped to cover it up (ie. mass graves)

Scotty, I've not run into anyone who attempts to make the comparison of Iraq to Darfur as far as brutality.
Which is exactly the point I was making , thank you.

Not diminishing what the Iraqi's went through, but they did have the framework by which they could attempt to overthrow their centralized government if they wanted to.
Framework ? What framework ? We sent people, other countries supported the rebels in Iraq......... with words of encouragement, lol. Yeah, that will get them far.

In Sudan, who were they going to overthrow, resist-- their neighbor or the people from the next village over?
The militants.
Iraqi's have neighbors with civilized militaries and intel ops-- it would have not been impossible for the Iraqi civillians to get them involved.
Who ? As I said above, many offered "encouraging words" , but thats as far as they were willing to go.
Sudan's neighbors?


Iraqi's were never helpless.

Sudanese?



The situations leading up to the maasacres are different.
The reasons behind the massacres are different.
The positions of the people involved in the violence are different.
The volume of causalities and the collective effects on their societies are different.


Your comparison of Iraq to Darfur is terribly flawed.

Only flawed in your mind my friend.

In all honesty, I believe Sudan was a set up. There are more terrorist there than Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Lebanon put together. On the battlefield they will bait our troops with one or two attackers that flee in order to draw our troops into a bigger ambush. I believe thats what Darfur was on a larger scale. They knew there was no way we could fully support a mission in Darfur while having operations continue in Afghanistan. We would have had thousands of troops in Sudan without any real support. It would have been a massacre. JMO.