Can church be bad for your health?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

EMDR - is used to replace a tramatic event in one's life (in your brain/thoughts). You are asked to think of a "safe" place you can go to in your mind (big fluffy chair that makes you feel safe and cozy) or whatever. Then they begin the therapy by causing your eyes to go back and forth - which "opens files" in your brain of the bad experience and you are signaled to replace that file with your "safe" place.

The problem is that if might not work and you open even deeper or more disturbing tramatic events.

True. Some have found that the emotional and spiritual abuse they endured didn't begin in church. Sometimes it originated from early in their childhoods and situations in church mulitiplied the pain, sense of rejection, failure, etc.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

True. Some have found that the emotional and spiritual abuse they endured didn't begin in church. Sometimes it originated from early in their childhoods and situations in church mulitiplied the pain, sense of rejection, failure, etc.

Aquila, that ain't exactly true either. Where do you get your "stuff"???



"perhaps the most radical thing that I said in that book that deviated from traditional psychiatry is that I located the source of psychiatric ills in the conscious mind, rather than the unconscious.”
Yes this quote is from M Scott Peck M. D.a real psychoanalyst.
The old Freudian models say the garbage comes from repressed memories etc.

A real Repentence means no more bondage and no more chains. That includes the past.

There is a lot of money to be made selling psychotropic drugs to victims and carriers of anxiety disorders.

Kinda hard for folks to claim emotional abuse from a pastor when they listen to preachin' less that 75 minutes a week.

It sounds tempting for this woman to gossip about how bad the preacher is . One day they will have to do an intervention and have her cope with her issues. Boundaries may be a small part of them, but not the core issue.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Aquila, that ain't exactly true either. Where do you get your "stuff"???



"perhaps the most radical thing that I said in that book that deviated from traditional psychiatry is that I located the source of psychiatric ills in the conscious mind, rather than the unconscious.”
Yes this quote is from M Scott Peck M. D.a real psychoanalyst.
The old Freudian models say the garbage comes from repressed memories etc.

A real Repentence means no more bondage and no more chains. That includes the past.

There is a lot of money to be made selling psychotropic drugs to victims and carriers of anxiety disorders.

Kinda hard for folks to claim emotional abuse from a pastor when they listen to preachin' less that 75 minutes a week.

It sounds tempting for this woman to gossip about how bad the preacher is . One day they will have to do an intervention and have her cope with her issues. Boundaries may be a small part of them, but not the core issue.

This person was in leadership and was at the church nearly every day for preparation for Sunday School, choir practice, family prayer, choral practice, morning prayer, out reach, etc. They were VERY involved and VERY close to the leadership. It's already confirmed that the pastor's wife suffers from chemical embalances and takes medication for it. Her mood swings and his accomodating her has led to a number of seriously hurt people. At one point this ultra conservative church MANDATED that everyone in leadership have a filter on their computer that generated a record of internet activity to a mailbox accessible by the pastor. They were not allowed to watch television, non-Christian radio was admonished and secular radio condemned, no worldly sports allowed, women were admonished not to cut the hair, those who did were condemned, slandered, and disfellowshiped,... the list could go on. I know the church this person came from, I attended too for many years before leaving because of abusive leadership.

You're missing the point Coadie...

Is it possible that someone could suffer from PTSD in relation to emotional and spiritual abuse in church?

Is it possible that while this person misses church on some levels, attending sends them into such a negative spiral that attending church is bad for them?

Those are some simple questions.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This person was in leadership and was at the church nearly every day for preparation for Sunday School, choir practice, family prayer, choral practice, morning prayer, out reach, etc. They were VERY involved and VERY close to the leadership. It's already confirmed that the pastor's wife suffers from chemical embalances and takes medication for it. Her mood swings and his accomodating her has led to a number of seriously hurt people. At one point this ultra conservative church MANDATED that everyone in leadership have a filter on their computer that generated a record of internet activity to a mailbox accessible by the pastor. They were not allowed to watch television, non-Christian radio was admonished and secular radio condemned, no worldly sports allowed, women were admonished not to cut the hair, those who did were condemned, slandered, and disfellowshiped,... the list could go on. I know the church this person came from, I attended too for many years before leaving because of abusive leadership.

You're missing the point Coadie...

Is it possible that someone could suffer from PTSD in relation to emotional and spiritual abuse in church?

Is it possible that while this person misses church on some levels, attending sends them into such a negative spiral that attending church is bad for them?

Those are some simple questions.

What is a chemical embalance? It is not a formal clinical diagnosis

What is a negative spiral?

It is difficult to have inteligent discussion when people use slang and vague expressions.

Renda said it once. People need to set boundaries. If they cuss at you or inflict trauma, draw the line. Spell it out.

At what point does the pastor need to be told that key click software is illegal. He can ask for it, but can't have it.

My personal opinion is these cases are not only rare, but the more people exagerate them, the more pitty they get in return.

In my memory, I don't have knowledge of "chemical embalances" as a disease that is contageous.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by coadie

What is a chemical embalance? It is not a formal clinical diagnosis

What is a negative spiral?

It is difficult to have inteligent discussion when people use slang and vague expressions.

Renda said it once. People need to set boundaries. If they cuss at you or inflict trauma, draw the line. Spell it out.

At what point does the pastor need to be told that key click software is illegal. He can ask for it, but can't have it.

My personal opinion is these cases are not only rare, but the more people exagerate them, the more pitty they get in return.

In my memory, I don't have knowledge of "chemical embalances" as a disease that is contageous.

Nope - - wrong answer.

What is a Chemical Imbalance?
We’ve heard a lot about “chemical imbalance” as the cause of emotional distress and disturbances. Researchers have spent decades trying to get to the bottom of what causes common disorders such as anxiety, depression and ADHD, and they believe that some form of chemical imbalance is involved in some way. While the exact link between chemical imbalance and emotional disorders has not been found, clinical studies and medical observations have been able to identify a number of chemical inconsistencies that occur in individuals who report experiencing symptoms related to these disorders.

http://www.anxiety-and-depression-so..._imbalance.php

Common chemical imbalances related to emotional disorders such as anxiety and depression include:

■Reduced availability of neurotransmitters like Serotonin, Dopamine, Norepinephrine, GABA and Acetylcholine.
■Increased levels of toxic neurochemicals such as Homocysteine
■Lower levels of serum Magnesium, Zinc or Potassium
■Unhealthy, or deficient levels of essential vitamins like B6, B9, B12 and Vitamin-C
■Undersupply of key cofactors like amino acids that are used to help transport neurotransmitter precursors into the blood-brain barrier.
■Increased cortisol stress hormone levels