Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I'm actually pretty timid and easy going ("awwww geee Dorthy..... Haww hawww hawww"), but some guy attempting to throw is weight around my wife because of some UC notion that ALL men have authority over ALL women and they must SUB-mitttttt <spit> to them, is looking for a heap-o trouble.

A man of God who has understanding would highly respect the auhtority of a husband.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

A man of God who has understanding would highly respect the auhtority of a husband.

Thank you Truthseeker....I wouldn't even respond to these posts there so silly, but you make the point well.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

A man of God who has understanding would highly respect the auhtority of a husband.

Randy doesn't support the headship of the husband?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

A man of God who has understanding would highly respect the auhtority of a husband.

A true man of God would understand he has no authority over the authority of the husband. The gifts of ministry are just that gifts and helps to the authority of the headship of the husband under Christ who is over the wife, that together are over the children.

When we understand the teaching of Christ that the greatest in the kingdom is the servant of all, that we function together as a body, Christ being the head. We will find the ussue of authority is moot.

We must remmember one given gifts of ministry are still just men, we are not infalable. Just as our own bodies are made up of three parts so is the body of Christ. From our head Jesus we get our idenity our direction. As most of this comes from the word, as individuals we know what is right and wrong. Where then is the need for positions of authority, IMHO these come from mans need to regulate what we think are laws of God. Most being mans traditions.

God did not and does not pull one part of the body apart to fill positions of authority, he works with in the body by his spirit through spiritual gifts to equip, the whole body to do the work of ministry, and to edify the body, till we all come to the unity of faith.

Even Paul the apostle (one sent) to the gentiles did not think more highly of himself than others. Even when withstanding Peter to his face he did not do so as one with authority over Peter and Peter did not feel his authority was being questioned as they did not look at things in light of authority. Or else he would not have accepted what came from the spirit of God through Paul.

Some may see this thread as a standards issue, I see it as a authority issue. "you must do it my way because I am an authroity of said subject and you must not be as you don't see things my way"

And we wonder why peope want nothing to do with Christianity?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

A true man of God would understand he has no authority over the authority of the husband. The gifts of ministry are just that gifts and helps to the authority of the headship of the husband under Christ who is over the wife, that together are over the children.

When we understand the teaching of Christ that the greatest in the kingdom is the servant of all, that we function together as a body, Christ being the head. We will find the ussue of authority is moot.

We must remmember one given gifts of ministry are still just men, we are not infalable. Just as our own bodies are made up of three parts so is the body of Christ. From our head Jesus we get our idenity our direction. As most of this comes from the word, as individuals we know what is right and wrong. Where then is the need for positions of authority, IMHO these come from mans need to regulate what we think are laws of God. Most being mans traditions.

God did not and does not pull one part of the body apart to fill positions of authority, he works with in the body by his spirit through spiritual gifts to equip, the whole body to do the work of ministry, and to edify the body, till we all come to the unity of faith.

Even Paul the apostle (one sent) to the gentiles did not think more highly of himself than others. Even when withstanding Peter to his face he did not do so as one with authority over Peter and Peter did not feel his authority was being questioned as they did not look at things in light of authority. Or else he would not have accepted what came from the spirit of God through Paul.

Some may see this thread as a standards issue, I see it as a authority issue. "you must do it my way because I am an authroity of said subject and you must not be as you don't see things my way"

And we wonder why peope want nothing to do with Christianity?

Authority doesn't mean one has to themselves as better. It's a role.

Christ had authority, yet he put on a towel and washed nasty toe jam. The husband's relationship to his wife is paralleled to Christ and the Church. It's a significant relationship and it related to social order, something established since Creation.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Authority doesn't mean one has to themselves as better. It's a role.

Christ had authority, yet he put on a towel and washed nasty toe jam. The husband's relationship to his wife is paralleled to Christ and the Church. It's a significant relationship and it related to social order, something established since Creation.

Christ the only only one with right to authority, he was God after all. Yet never in his ministry did he teach in a maner that demanded authority.

As for the husband and wife parallel to Christ and the church That is right. But the question is where do you get the parallel of Christ, pastor, church?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Christ the only only one with right to authority, he was God after all. Yet never in his ministry did he teach in a maner that demanded authority.

As for the husband and wife parallel to Christ and the church That is right. But the question is where do you get the parallel of Christ, pastor, church?

I thought the topic was authority in general, and I thought you had said something about husband and wives? Did I jump in at the wrong point here?

As far as leadership in the Church -- Christ does not appoint overseers that have no authority to perform their tasks. They are called and commissioned of the Spirit. See, people see poor and failing examples of spiritual abuse and throw out the baby with the bath water. Spiritual leadership is a staple to the NT church. The elders calling in their communities was paramount. However, to turn things upside down, this leadership was really serving, as conveyed by Jesus in the Gospel of John. They were appointed to serve the Church. Do they have authority? Yes. Authority to do what? To serve. To lead the church. Authority to lord over people? No.