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Old 11-13-2010, 10:43 AM
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Re: Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

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What I want to R-E-A-D VERY SLOWLY is your answer to the question: Why would God use an unholy picture to illustrate a holy act? No fancy footwork involved. Answer THAT question and not questions i never asked. lol
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Old 11-13-2010, 10:58 AM
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Even the church is refered to as a bride adorned for her husband.
Right. With Rebekah, jewelry was a gift on behalf of Isaac.
Genesis 24:22 And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold;
Quite a bit of GOLD! The servant cast a fleece out before God saying that if he offers a woman to let down her pitcher to drink, and she responds saying, "Drink, and I will give thy camels drink also," then he would know that God sent the woman to him. And God sent this woman to a man who was going to give her a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold. Funny how God would answer such a prayer from a man who was bound to give this woman all that gold, and lead a woman to him, if RDP is correct! One would think the last man to whom God would send Rebekah would be a guy who was to give her all of that ungodly gold! And that ain't no illustration, but an actual event!

So maybe RDP is not only going to keep insisting that we cannot take an unholy illustration used for a holy act to override a NT instruction (although in reality there is nothing unholy about any of this), but will also try to tell us that we cannot take an actual event, that was considered acceptable amongst the OT patriarchs of Israel, and override a NT instruction that claims such things were actually unholy (when in reality such a stance betrays an ignorant misinterpretation of all Paul and Peter stated to begin with!).

The context in 1 Peter 3 is a woman told to not depend on ornamentation to win her husband. That does not mean a woman cannot wear those things in modest amounts, though. The same general note is used in 1 Tim 2:9. A woman is not to depend upon jewelry for showing Christian character. Many women wear jewelry without depending upon it as their character identification. Good works are noted in verse 10 as that which should rather be what she depends upon to show she is a Christian. These works do not save her, but testify that she is saved.

Those who forbid the wearing of these things totally are missing the context of both chapters which is showing dependence on jewelry for (1) winning their lost husbands to the Lord(1 Pet 3), and (2) showing forth their Christian character (1 Tim 2). It is not just simple forbiddance to wear anything in the form of jewelry.

Rebekah's story continues with being called BLESSED when her jewelry from Isaac and Abraham were seen.
Genesis 24:30-31 And it came to pass, when he saw the earring and bracelets upon his sister's hands, and when he heard the words of Rebekah his sister, saying, Thus spake the man unto me; that he came unto the man; and, behold, he stood by the camels at the well. (31) And he said, Come in, thou blessed of the LORD; wherefore standest thou without? for I have prepared the house, and room for the camels.
Therefore, two witnesses of scripture (Ezekiel 16 and Gen 24) show All sorts of these "UNHOLY PICTURES" to show holy love and God's will for a couple to be married. Then there is your reference, Truthseeker. There should be NO pictures of wearing jewelry to represent anything holy whatsoever if RDP is correct. It is ridiculous to think God uses unholy pictures to illustrate holy acts.
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Re: Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

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Right. With Rebekah, jewelry was a gift on behalf of Isaac.
Genesis 24:22 And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold;
Quite a bit of GOLD! The servant cast a fleece out before God saying that if he offers a woman to let down her pitcher to drink, and she responds saying, "Drink, and I will give thy camels drink also," then he would know that God sent the woman to him. And God sent this woman to a man who was going to give her a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold. Funny how God would answer such a prayer from a man who was bound to give this woman all that gold, and lead a woman to him, if RDP is correct! One would think the last man to whom God would send Rebekah would be a guy who was to give her all of that ungodly gold! And that ain't no illustration, but an actual event!

So maybe RDP is not only going to keep insisting that we cannot take an unholy illustration used for a holy act to override a NT instruction (although in reality there is nothing unholy about any of this), but will also try to tell us that we cannot take an actual event, that was considered acceptable amongst the OT patriarchs of Israel, and override a NT instruction that claims such things were actually unholy (when in reality such a stance betrays an ignorant misinterpretation of all Paul and Peter stated to begin with!).

The context in 1 Peter 3 is a woman told to not depend on ornamentation to win her husband. That does not mean a woman cannot wear those things in modest amounts, though. The same general note is used in 1 Tim 2:9. A woman is not to depend upon jewelry for showing Christian character. Many women wear jewelry without depending upon it as their character identification. Good works are noted in verse 10 as that which should rather be what she depends upon to show she is a Christian. These works do not save her, but testify that she is saved.

Those who forbid the wearing of these things totally are missing the context of both chapters which is showing dependence on jewelry for (1) winning their lost husbands to the Lord(1 Pet 3), and (2) showing forth their Christian character (1 Tim 2). It is not just simple forbiddance to wear anything in the form of jewelry.

Rebekah's story continues with being called BLESSED when her jewelry from Isaac and Abraham were seen.
Genesis 24:30-31 And it came to pass, when he saw the earring and bracelets upon his sister's hands, and when he heard the words of Rebekah his sister, saying, Thus spake the man unto me; that he came unto the man; and, behold, he stood by the camels at the well. (31) And he said, Come in, thou blessed of the LORD; wherefore standest thou without? for I have prepared the house, and room for the camels.
Therefore, two witnesses of scripture (Ezekiel 16 and Gen 24) show All sorts of these "UNHOLY PICTURES" to show holy love and God's will for a couple to be married. Then there is your reference, Truthseeker. There should be NO pictures of wearing jewelry to represent anything holy whatsoever if RDP is correct. It is ridiculous to think God uses unholy pictures to illustrate holy acts.
Wow...all of this to strip "not with gold jewelry" of its meaning? How about just believing the Bible Mike?
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